(04-01-2016, 12:21 AM)Shaadaris Wrote: [ -> ] (03-31-2016, 10:50 PM)Ehksidian Wrote: [ -> ]![[Image: tumblr_nrglkuEYYm1s02vreo1_400.gif]](http://45.media.tumblr.com/49f9e96020b6b44ac4f3f2bd349cd681/tumblr_nrglkuEYYm1s02vreo1_400.gif)
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(03-31-2016, 11:48 PM)Surge Wrote: [ -> ]You either step down while you still have any respect for the user base or you live long enough to think you're dealing with the dregs of humanity.
I think to be a mod for any amount of time for any large community, you have to already have the lowest possible expectations of the userbase you're moderating. That way, you're pleasantly surprised by anything that isn't the worst possible. If not, then stuff like this will wear you out.
The problem is that volunteer or no being a moderator is a public relations job in a way. You deal with a large amount of users regularly and everyone involved should expect you to treat them well. When you assume the worst always it will still color your behavior and how you treat those users, and that will wear them out. They don't want to deal with you, you have to put up with even more shit, and whoever owns the forum/chat/whatever looks bad for having moderators who treat their users so poorly. If you find yourself unable to deal with users calmly and politely just because they can't return the favor, honestly you probably aren't cut out for being a moderator and should let somebody take a swing. It is completely possible to continue to come off as being friendly and polite to the average user even when you become a moderator, stick with the things that brought you into that community, continue to engage people as usual, the only thing you have to be careful of is making biased decisions when somebody you know gets into trouble.
(04-01-2016, 12:32 AM)Surge Wrote: [ -> ] (04-01-2016, 12:21 AM)Shaadaris Wrote: [ -> ]I think to be a mod for any amount of time for any large community, you have to already have the lowest possible expectations of the userbase you're moderating. That way, you're pleasantly surprised by anything that isn't the worst possible. If not, then stuff like this will wear you out.
The problem is that volunteer or no being a moderator is a public relations job in a way. You deal with a large amount of users regularly and everyone involved should expect you to treat them well. When you assume the worst always it will still color your behavior and how you treat those users, and that will wear them out. They don't want to deal with you, you have to put up with even more shit, and whoever owns the forum/chat/whatever looks bad for having moderators who treat their users so poorly. If you find yourself unable to deal with users calmly and politely just because they can't return the favor, honestly you probably aren't cut out for being a moderator and should let somebody take a swing. It is completely possible to continue to come off as being friendly and polite to the average user even when you become a moderator, stick with the things that brought you into that community, continue to engage people as usual, the only thing you have to be careful of is making biased decisions when somebody you know gets into trouble.
You're missing something though. Expecting the worst doesn't necessarily effect how you treat them. It only prepares you for worse. So that you can handle it better when things do get even worse. Two separate things, not all inclusive.
If stress of the position is effecting someone that bad, they're supposed to take a break. And then come back once their patience has been restored some. Assholes who don't hold onto stress are often found to be better mods than nice guy's who can't de-stress for shit. Because they'll do their job better and remain even headed longer, and won't hold insults and other such crap personally. Whereas the other example would turn into a teeming mess of stress, anger, and hate.
If you like your moderators, they're almost always doing something wrong. Not always (small communities like this the moderators don't need to worry about crowd control and keeping the most reactive members from popping too many corks.) But almost always. They get too attached, they stop doing their job and shit gets out of hand, then they can blame that moderator, while being factually correct that it was in fact the mod's fault for letting it get to that point. They lose their position for not enforcing the rules that are there for a reason. Even though the reason wasn't visible until it was too late.
Moderators who don't technically care about the players individually, but act in fairness, are preferred. These moderators, however, tend to be widely insulted. Because they can't afford to get friendly with everyone. Or... Shit starts happening. And so the playerbase feels like the moderators are too far estranged, though that's kind of the point. And they cannot relate, to the moderators, so they just blame everything on them.
TL;DR: There is no TL;DR.
(04-01-2016, 04:50 AM)Lost Rinoah Wrote: [ -> ] (04-01-2016, 12:32 AM)Surge Wrote: [ -> ]The problem is that volunteer or no being a moderator is a public relations job in a way. You deal with a large amount of users regularly and everyone involved should expect you to treat them well. When you assume the worst always it will still color your behavior and how you treat those users, and that will wear them out. They don't want to deal with you, you have to put up with even more shit, and whoever owns the forum/chat/whatever looks bad for having moderators who treat their users so poorly. If you find yourself unable to deal with users calmly and politely just because they can't return the favor, honestly you probably aren't cut out for being a moderator and should let somebody take a swing. It is completely possible to continue to come off as being friendly and polite to the average user even when you become a moderator, stick with the things that brought you into that community, continue to engage people as usual, the only thing you have to be careful of is making biased decisions when somebody you know gets into trouble.
You're missing something though. Expecting the worst doesn't necessarily effect how you treat them. It only prepares you for worse. So that you can handle it better when things do get even worse. Two separate things, not all inclusive.
If stress of the position is effecting someone that bad, they're supposed to take a break. And then come back once their patience has been restored some. Assholes who don't hold onto stress are often found to be better mods than nice guy's who can't de-stress for shit. Because they'll do their job better and remain even headed longer, and won't hold insults and other such crap personally. Whereas the other example would turn into a teeming mess of stress, anger, and hate.
If you like your moderators, they're almost always doing something wrong. Not always (small communities like this the moderators don't need to worry about crowd control and keeping the most reactive members from popping too many corks.) But almost always. They get too attached, they stop doing their job and shit gets out of hand, then they can blame that moderator, while being factually correct that it was in fact the mod's fault for letting it get to that point. They lose their position for not enforcing the rules that are there for a reason. Even though the reason wasn't visible until it was too late.
Moderators who don't technically care about the players individually, but act in fairness, are preferred. These moderators, however, tend to be widely insulted. Because they can't afford to get friendly with everyone. Or... Shit starts happening. And so the playerbase feels like the moderators are too far estranged, though that's kind of the point. And they cannot relate, to the moderators, so they just blame everything on them.
TL;DR: There is no TL;DR.
Honestly I feel that if they find themselves in a position where a personal relationship with somebody involved might cloud their judgement they should pass the matter to a different mod.
(04-01-2016, 05:00 AM)Surge Wrote: [ -> ]Honestly I feel that if they find themselves in a position where a personal relationship with somebody involved might cloud their judgement they should pass the matter to a different mod.
Far too often they don't. Which sucks. But they always seem to have already had too much of a personal investment in the situation before it even happened. Which led them to assume they could make the right call. So yeah. You're right that they should. But how often it happens is usually an entirely different thing.
(We can only speak from experience, if someone else's experience with moderators is different, that doesn't exactly effect what I've seen, only adds to the bigger picture.)
(04-01-2016, 05:26 AM)Lost Rinoah Wrote: [ -> ] (04-01-2016, 05:00 AM)Surge Wrote: [ -> ]Honestly I feel that if they find themselves in a position where a personal relationship with somebody involved might cloud their judgement they should pass the matter to a different mod.
Far too often they don't. Which sucks. But they always seem to have already had too much of a personal investment in the situation before it even happened. Which led them to assume they could make the right call. So yeah. You're right that they should. But how often it happens is usually an entirely different thing.
(We can only speak from experience, if someone else's experience with moderators is different, that doesn't exactly effect what I've seen, only adds to the bigger picture.)
Of course the biggest issue in the "right and wrong ways to moderate" debate is that what qualifies as "fair" treatment is purely subjective, I would say that the fairestr way to resolve a conflict is to mediate a resolution, forcing the issue only if absolutely necessary, so that nobody feels they were unjustly targeted, especially for something that wasn't their fault. Somebody else however might say that the fairest way to resolve a conflict is to immediately stamp it out to spare everyone else from having to see it any longer. Some might say that picking sides at all, regardless of the merits of either position, is inherently unfair and should be avoided.
(04-01-2016, 06:30 AM)SCN-3_NULL Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.tumblr.com/video/q-tipp/142026773753/400/
that's one big fat bee
There's no scale in the image to tell the actual size in comparrison to anything else.
As far as moderation. I actually in the long run prefer moderators following the rules unless everyone (More than half of the community including those who don't even talk) agrees that it is flawed. Flat out. You break a rule, you lose. It isn't in the rules, it has no ruling. It isn't against any rulings. The only issue with this is that people try getting past things like "no griefing" type open ended statements. It's cleaner in the long run for the community. But, it puts more stress on mods unfortunately.
I can't fucking believe it I am seriously digging through numbers about the Holocaust to prove that there even were 6 million Jews in Europe in the 1930s while some guy rants about how hip hop and rap are a jewish conspiracy.
*almost all the side it vists often gone apeshit*
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just gonna hide in this
box bunker for the day
Oh. Shit.
Look at Youtube, any video. Down next to the quality menu.
*playing cheiftan facing a MBT-70 frontally*
oh fuck, spam HE!
*playing challenger facing MBT-70 frontally*
TRY PEN ME!
I have eaten seven doughnuts today.
don't ask...
"a tornado warning is in effect for your area seek shelter immediately!"
![[Image: M12nTZ3.png]](http://i.imgur.com/M12nTZ3.png)
I'm in a rural two story house with no basement, I think I'll take my chances out of sheer necessity.
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(03-31-2016, 11:42 PM)Ehksidian Wrote: [ -> ] (03-31-2016, 11:16 PM)Segolia Wrote: [ -> ]Pretty much this. I mean I don't get it really from here because hardly anything goes on, but I've talked to Dunto (one of the starbound forum moderators) from time to time about it and he had the same sort of sentiment. It really is tiresome and people don't see how much busywork moderators do that goes completely unheard of.
You're basically doing the garbage collection of the forums. You're deleting inappropriate threads and spambots, moving topics to the appropriate place and whatnot. Whenever you see a dispute you can't just back away and do something else because you're the person who's expected to resolve it, no matter how petty or silly. People mostly just get mad at you for taking moderator action against them, no matter how justified.
People assume you think you're better than them because you have a fancy name tag and were afforded a tiny modicum of power to enable you to do your job. Some people aspire to it and all I can think is why would you want to do it at all? I suppose if you really love the community and stuff.
as someone who also was moderator on the largest starbound RP server...yeah
people went "oh you think you're so much better than everyone else" all the time when i pretty much always thought i was worse than everyone else, and everyone blamed the mods for everything that was wrong if anything did go wrong.
i do not miss not being a mod there e_e
HUE
I went back recently. Did you know Supertoaster is still around? Most oldies left already, though.
Plus, now I can't leave because Song is now already in a relationship.
(04-01-2016, 10:47 AM)roguephoenix64 Wrote: [ -> ]I have eaten seven doughnuts today.
don't ask...
I'm proud of you. Keep it up~
(04-01-2016, 12:25 PM)Davepeta Wrote: [ -> ]HUE
I went back recently. Did you know Supertoaster is still around? Most oldies left already, though.
Plus, now I can't leave because Song is now already in a relationship.
i thought supertoaster left a long while ago to make their own server
or did that fail like every splinter server seems to do?
(04-01-2016, 02:04 PM)Ehksidian Wrote: [ -> ] (04-01-2016, 12:25 PM)Davepeta Wrote: [ -> ]HUE
I went back recently. Did you know Supertoaster is still around? Most oldies left already, though.
Plus, now I can't leave because Song is now already in a relationship.
i thought supertoaster left a long while ago to make their own server
or did that fail like every splinter server seems to do?
No idea. Saw him at the inn, though. We chatted a little bit and its definitely the real thing, so.
(04-01-2016, 03:32 PM)Davepeta Wrote: [ -> ] (04-01-2016, 02:04 PM)Ehksidian Wrote: [ -> ]i thought supertoaster left a long while ago to make their own server
or did that fail like every splinter server seems to do?
No idea. Saw him at the inn, though. We chatted a little bit and its definitely the real thing, so.
huh. i am mildly surprised.
(04-01-2016, 12:25 PM)Davepeta Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-31-2016, 11:42 PM)Ehksidian Wrote: [ -> ]as someone who also was moderator on the largest starbound RP server...yeah
people went "oh you think you're so much better than everyone else" all the time when i pretty much always thought i was worse than everyone else, and everyone blamed the mods for everything that was wrong if anything did go wrong.
i do not miss not being a mod there e_e
HUE
I went back recently. Did you know Supertoaster is still around? Most oldies left already, though.
Plus, now I can't leave because Song is now already in a relationship.
(04-01-2016, 10:47 AM)roguephoenix64 Wrote: [ -> ]I have eaten seven doughnuts today.
don't ask...
I'm proud of you. Keep it up~
Why, thanks!
I also ate a left over chocolate hot cross bun.
I feel a little sick...
(04-01-2016, 03:45 PM)Stardust Wrote: [ -> ] (04-01-2016, 03:32 PM)Davepeta Wrote: [ -> ]No idea. Saw him at the inn, though. We chatted a little bit and its definitely the real thing, so.
huh. i am mildly surprised.
Wait, Ehks?
Why did you change your pic and name?
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