(04-10-2015, 11:31 PM)SilverOtter Wrote:

(04-10-2015, 11:22 PM)Surge Wrote: okay that's one bit of hocus pocus I'm not willing to leave standing.

I think everyone wants to think that they have something really unique and special about them but you have to remember not to underestimate how much control your brain has over your body, it's entirely possible for your brain to make you think that something is wearing you out or that something really is in your way simply if you want it to bad enough. Does this mean any of us can actually influence reality with sheer willpower? no. It does mean that we can fool ourselves into thinking so with it though.

Huh, I wish I could actually influence fucking reality. As far as it goes it's a toy for when I'm bored. With the first one, you have the exact same doubt I have, the whole "haven't people influenced their perceptions of reality before?". The second one is unexplained. Really, I just lumped the two together because they have similar attributes.

I'm not claiming to be a fucking wizard and a god of tumblr who can fly and shoot lasers out of my eyes. I'm just pointing out this fucking weird thing.

I said it was something related to spirituality, you should have expected something scientifically sketchy.

(04-10-2015, 11:40 PM)Surge Wrote:

(04-10-2015, 11:31 PM)SilverOtter Wrote: Huh, I wish I could actually influence fucking reality. As far as it goes it's a toy for when I'm bored. With the first one, you have the exact same doubt I have, the whole "haven't people influenced their perceptions of reality before?". The second one is unexplained. Really, I just lumped the two together because they have similar attributes.

I'm not claiming to be a fucking wizard and a god of tumblr who can fly and shoot lasers out of my eyes. I'm just pointing out this fucking weird thing.

I said it was something related to spirituality, you should have expected something scientifically sketchy.

The problem is that this is perfectly reasonable from a scientific standpoint, it's all a big illusion. While from a spiritual standpoint it's a crock of shit.

Then again I could say the exact same thing about anything else related to spirituality.

(04-10-2015, 11:44 PM)SilverOtter Wrote:

(04-10-2015, 11:40 PM)Surge Wrote: The problem is that this is perfectly reasonable from a scientific standpoint, it's all a big illusion. While from a spiritual standpoint it's a crock of shit.

Then again I could say the exact same thing about anything else related to spirituality.

We can agree that the first one has 99.99999999% chance of my mind being bullshit, which is the one you have changed my opinion on. The second one... I have read about something similar to it once. Hilariously the book would later disappear into the labyrinth of things from my preteen days.

(04-10-2015, 11:51 PM)Some Other Guy Wrote:

(04-10-2015, 11:44 PM)SilverOtter Wrote: We can agree that the first one has 99.99999999% chance of my mind being bullshit, which is the one you have changed my opinion on. The second one... I have read about something similar to it once. Hilariously the book would later disappear into the labyrinth of things from my preteen days.

I'm holding my hands apart and the invisible air balloon just happens, no way in hell am I just imagining it.

I also apparently have some degree of psychic ability - no bullshit, I've on more than one occasion 'heard' someone saying something in my head just moments before they actually went and said it. And this isn't some retroactive deja vu crap either; I've legitimately predicted their words entire seconds ahead of time.

(04-10-2015, 11:54 PM)SilverOtter Wrote:

(04-10-2015, 11:51 PM)Some Other Guy Wrote: I'm holding my hands apart and the invisible air balloon just happens, no way in hell am I just imagining it.

I also apparently have some degree of psychic ability - no bullshit, I've on more than one occasion 'heard' someone saying something in my head just moments before they actually went and said it. And this isn't some retroactive deja vu crap either; I've legitimately predicted their words entire seconds ahead of time.

Small scenes in my dreams of the future, always of something inconsequential. One time it was literally a bottle of water rolling off a bench. Other times it's when I'm in a room, with nothing interesting happening. They're so small my brain usually archives them in the morning out of grogginess.

(04-10-2015, 11:56 PM)Surge Wrote:
YES you ARE imagining it.

(04-10-2015, 11:56 PM)Surge Wrote: YES you ARE imagining it.

(04-11-2015, 12:01 AM)SilverOtter Wrote:

(04-10-2015, 11:56 PM)Surge Wrote:
YES you ARE imagining it.

Skepticism is a wonderful thing. Get practically robbed by a guy who claims to predict the future and you think they're fakers all out for fame, money, and women.

(04-11-2015, 12:05 AM)Shaadaris Wrote: HERE'S A THOUGHT!
Let's not talk about subjects like this that could lead to an all-out flame-war of believers and non-believers of whatever.

(04-11-2015, 12:04 AM)Surge Wrote:

(04-11-2015, 12:01 AM)SilverOtter Wrote: Skepticism is a wonderful thing. Get practically robbed by a guy who claims to predict the future and you think they're fakers all out for fame, money, and women.

confirmation bias is also a wonderful thing. you can mentally plot out a thousand different ways a single day can go and you won't remember most of them if you tried, except the one that was shockingly close to what actually happened. plus knowing someone well enough to predict what they will say isn't psychic, it's called knowing them really well.

(04-11-2015, 12:00 AM)Shaadaris Wrote:

(04-10-2015, 11:54 PM)SilverOtter Wrote: Small scenes in my dreams of the future, always of something inconsequential. One time it was literally a bottle of water rolling off a bench. Other times it's when I'm in a room, with nothing interesting happening. They're so small my brain usually archives them in the morning out of grogginess.

Now that, I have had... sort of.
I've had dreams of very random and meaningless things only for them to be vaguely relevant a month later, causing me to remember in some weird deja-vu moment. Been a long time since it happened, but I'm pretty certain it's nothing spiritual and just my mind making connections that aren't there in the first place.

(04-11-2015, 12:11 AM)Segolia Wrote:

(04-11-2015, 12:00 AM)Shaadaris Wrote: Now that, I have had... sort of.
I've had dreams of very random and meaningless things only for them to be vaguely relevant a month later, causing me to remember in some weird deja-vu moment. Been a long time since it happened, but I'm pretty certain it's nothing spiritual and just my mind making connections that aren't there in the first place.

I seem to recall reading that the current theory was the mechanism behind deja-vu was an 'overlap' between long-term and short-term memory segments of the brain (like, when trying to recall something from short term memory it can incorrectly trigger long-term memory recall, creating the false sensation that you are recalling a memory of something that you have experienced before)

1. Then why do we not experience Deja-Vu often? Such an overlap existing would cause it to happen more often, even if small, because any memory can be placed there.
2. If we did not have any sort of memory of it from the past, then why would the brain be calling for a memory in the first place?
   

(04-11-2015, 12:20 AM)SilverOtter Wrote:

(04-11-2015, 12:11 AM)Segolia Wrote: I seem to recall reading that the current theory was the mechanism behind deja-vu was an 'overlap' between long-term and short-term memory segments of the brain (like, when trying to recall something from short term memory it can incorrectly trigger long-term memory recall, creating the false sensation that you are recalling a memory of something that you have experienced before)

1. Then why do we not experience Deja-Vu often? Such an overlap existing would cause it to happen more often, even if small, because any memory can be placed there.
2. If we did not have any sort of memory of it from the past, then why would the brain be calling for a memory in the first place?
   

(04-11-2015, 12:39 AM)Segolia Wrote: Like I said these are all just theories though. As with many neurological phenomena (like dreams, the minds eye) the physical mechanisms behind them are poorly understood and not the subject of much research.

(04-11-2015, 12:45 AM)SilverOtter Wrote:

(04-11-2015, 12:39 AM)Segolia Wrote: Like I said these are all just theories though. As with many neurological phenomena (like dreams, the minds eye) the physical mechanisms behind them are poorly understood and not the subject of much research.

Like how they don't explain that I remember the scene from the dream the morning after, long before it even happens at all?

(04-11-2015, 12:53 AM)Surge Wrote:

(04-11-2015, 12:45 AM)SilverOtter Wrote: Like how they don't explain that I remember the scene from the dream the morning after, long before it even happens at all?

coincidence is a thing.

again you can have hundreds of dreams with all manner of wild scenes, some baffling some believable, but you WILL remember that one that wound up actually happening.

(04-11-2015, 12:45 AM)SilverOtter Wrote:

(04-11-2015, 12:39 AM)Segolia Wrote: Like I said these are all just theories though. As with many neurological phenomena (like dreams, the minds eye) the physical mechanisms behind them are poorly understood and not the subject of much research.

Like how they don't explain that I remember the scene from the dream the morning after, long before it even happens at all?

(04-11-2015, 12:59 AM)SilverOtter Wrote:

(04-11-2015, 12:53 AM)Surge Wrote: coincidence is a thing.

again you can have hundreds of dreams with all manner of wild scenes, some baffling some believable, but you WILL remember that one that wound up actually happening.

Yes Surge, your science bias is very fanciful. Now go back to trying to make nanobots so we can properly figure out what the FUCK causes gravity.