(09-04-2015, 12:12 AM)Cole4110 Wrote:

(09-04-2015, 12:03 AM)SharpTeeth Wrote: To be honest, I didn't expect anyone else to care. You aren't the one my criticism is meant for, but I will gladly defend any attempts to poke holes in it. The only way to make authors take another look at their work is to be frank and honest, to show what they can work on, even if no one else notices.



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The part where this mentality falls short is: i can be fairly certain ryu doesnt care much himself either > ^> Your basically 
 throwing bones at a color printer and asking it to dance you a showtune.
I can really understand if you see flaws in the lore and would like to see them fixed?...
But Lets be real here if ryu wanted the criticism you wouldn't of had to chase him down to the fourms 
Of course i can speak all to well for him but from what i know he doesn't care what you have to say and still nobody else does
 Avali wont be hard sci-fi lore with fleshier story than a ham sandwich. Its just a fun little race for starbound that caught on, thats it.

(09-04-2015, 12:23 AM)SharpTeeth Wrote: I dunno, mate, his reply suggested otherwise. I came here to criticize him as he was mostly dead to the world and this is the only place I knew he posted on consistently and would see it. Its not about wanting to see anything. To be fair, would you like to see someone trash your concept? Criticism has to come from those who love the concept enough to tear it to shreds in order to see it improve. And I carry the message of many to the creator to have him fill in some holes. Do you think I really know all that science? (Mind you I still had to research it to confirm the points of others. Don't want to parade a falsehood as a fact)
None of the replies I made to the people here ever criticized their enjoyment of the concept. You are free to do what you wish. To be honest, it warms the icy lump in my chest to see you guys jumping to his defense, but none of you really have the right to interpret the criticism for him. I am not here to attack you but to tell the author what he needs to improve. The only replies that I am readily willing to respond to are those who misinterpret a part of my argument or don't understand it in some measure. This isn't the starbound forums. Even if you neg rep me, I will still readily respond to any questions directly to me, as I want to see this concept grow and become something other than what people would dismiss as fur-sue. I love the art so much that I would be willing to submit myself to snark and sarcasm just to see a few fresh kernels of ideas pop up.

Quote:Then don't bother listing so much detail. You don't have to justify anything fictitious, but Ryu seems to be having a hard time grasping this.*

Quote:leading to gems such as giving a blind race visually based augmentation

Quote:Ice shelf cracking. On a planet totally covered in ice. Or the low intense grumbling that exists in coastal ice shelves. That is all.

Spoiler

Water ice shelves wouldn't exist on a world with ammonia based oceans, ice is denser than liquid ammonia

Quote:I noted this because Ryu thinks twitch nerve impulses mean total immunity. Also, sound senses are a hundred times more sensitive than optical, due to the way they are structured.

Quote:"I believe your problem is, that on some level, you want them to be real. That's okay. It's okay to have some wish fulfillment and self indulgence, but you need to be aware of this and embrace it or overcome it, rather than trying to marry reality and fantasy together. If you aren't careful and don't know where to draw the line, it becomes hard to tell what details are needed and what is just excessive fluff."

Quote:The only person I am truly being aggressive against is Ryu, admittedly, due to one very important issue that I refuse to elaborate on or ever make public. That issue is precisely why I have to be aggressive and well read, because his issue won't allow him to admit it otherwise.

SharpTeeth Wrote:Fine, here you go, but don't be ass-mad. I was looking for permission to criticize you directly and you never responded. So if you get blustered, here you go. I only say this because I don't think you pay attention to the insensitivity of your own actions.

You write like a pre-med student. This is not a good thing! Your writing (from the forums and mod!) reeks incredibly of overconfidence in your own knowledge. Half of the shit you wrote is easily the most egotistical intellectually masturbatory crud I have ever seen. You need to be able to say, "hey, maybe I'm wrong and I need to ask others for help" but you have this stunning ability to deflect criticism whenever someone challenges the points you strongly believe in, and become sullen and irate, like a little child. And I'm not talking about the forums, you were actually civil for once in your life! Seriously, I have seen you shit on so many people on the starbound forums and reddit, just because you have to reply with a testy bit of egotistical tat. Seriously, just write simply for goddamn once. Take a step back and say, hey, look pal, I disagree with what you say, but I am gonna disagree civilly with you. You are, what, thirty years old? I'm eight years younger than you and I still don't treat people like an edgy teenager. The statement you wrote alone when you discontinued your mod upset a bunch of your young fans, you do realize the reason they were begging you for an update is because you said you were working on it? You could have just said, please stop asking, I give up on starbound, but no, you had to shit on people just because they were expecting something of you. You want to write SO much goddamn tat just to show off your intelligence, and it shows! This isn't a dick measuring contest to see who is the smartest, it's a goddamn piece of fiction. Take your concept back to square one and work your way from up top. Ask some writing forums, ask some scientists. Just do something! Do your research! Or just simply say they can be whatever they goddamn want to be. But you won't. You want to spend an absurd amount of effort without bothering to make sure the "facts" you spew are correct. You know what half the people told me when I asked them why they trusted your science so much? They said you had a background in biology. To your credit, I have never seen you state such a thing, but if I honestly had found it, I would have reamed you apart. Seriously, you gave them a latin fucking taxonomic designation. You have all this trust in you and you do jack shit with it. You have become the very thing you mocked. You do realize people take whats on the wiki as word of god? Do something about it! Put up a statement that says most of the information is fanon or whatever.


ARGH. Look, dude, I'm sorry and no one deserves to have these things slung at them, but on some level you aren't truly aware of the callousness of your actions. Your ego pokes through on the descriptions of the items alone. I never wanted to say this because they are goddamn insults, ones that I have to say in private because no one deserves to have that shit flung publicly at them.
I want you for once in your life to be able to change and not be so stubborn. Make peace with what you do, and be open minded. I don't hate you. I don't even truly know you. But I want you to see that maybe you were being too proud. I guess that's one of my biggest flaws, the inability to let things go and try to improve things, even other people. Even if it's unasked for, I almost did not want to say this to you, but I think someone as creative as you deserves the opportunity at self improvement. I hate the fact I had to continuously dance around what I wanted to say and not truly say what was on my mind.






Sorry.

Quote:This is not a good thing! Your writing (from the forums and mod!) reeks incredibly of overconfidence in your own knowledge.

Quote:I'm eight years younger than you and I still don't treat people like an edgy teenager.

Quote:Seriously, you gave them a latin fucking taxonomic designation.

Quote:You know what half the people told me when I asked them why they trusted your science so much? They said you had a background in biology.

Quote:YES! Change at last, though it came at the price of some goading.

Spoiler

I can't resist:

'"(melee weapons, by the by, intended for hunting large, unarmored prey, not warfare)."'
"Medieval history by the by disagrees with you. Did you see how we invented the fuller? Pikes? Armor piercing non-edged blades? As soon as we raised a rock, we were killing each other, and mother nature wouldn't have it any other way."

...and yet somehow we don't make modern weapons out of the same materials or with the same techniques as we did in our medieval period. Let me take a perfect example (I even own a set)! Carbon-fiber arrowshafts. Durable. Expensive. Difficult to repair or manufacture. In fact, it's hard to believe such a thing would ever be invented when one considers the use of the bow in medieval warfare - firing indiscriminately into an enemy formation. Perhaps you see my point.

Simply because something isn't practical for an outmoded form of ancient warfare doesn't mean that it isn't practical for modern use. Bowhunting is entirely inferior to riflehunting, but we do it for the sake of challenge. A culture with a history of spear-hunting might very well take the same line of reasoning to hunting with self-manufacturing glass-like pikes (and in case you make some point about pikes being weapons used only for warfare - consider boar-hunting spears).

(09-04-2015, 04:49 AM)Nyumii Wrote: ...He set his status as Away for the next 207 years.

"SharpTeeth is currently away.
Reason: I'm done with what I needed to say, thank god, and can put this behind me. Bye.
Away Since: Yesterday
Returns on: 12-30-2222"

(09-04-2015, 04:41 AM)J. Mourne Wrote: Relevant Nonsense

Simply put, SharpTeeth, with all respect to your technical knowledge: you continually attribute what you perceive as flaws in the Avali as mistakes due to Ryuujin's sloppiness, hubris, and/or laziness. I have never known him to do anything in such manner. And there is no way for me to convince you of his credibility unless you are willing to calm down, sit down, and speak with him as an equal instead of trying to educate him as if he were an arrogant know-nothing.

Good-day, sir.

Irrelevant Nonsense

Spoiler

I can't resist:

'"(melee weapons, by the by, intended for hunting large, unarmored prey, not warfare)."'
"Medieval history by the by disagrees with you. Did you see how we invented the fuller? Pikes? Armor piercing non-edged blades? As soon as we raised a rock, we were killing each other, and mother nature wouldn't have it any other way."

...and yet somehow we don't make modern weapons out of the same materials or with the same techniques as we did in our medieval period. Let me take a perfect example (I even own a set)! Carbon-fiber arrowshafts. Durable. Expensive. Difficult to repair or manufacture. In fact, it's hard to believe such a thing would ever be invented when one considers the use of the bow in medieval warfare - firing indiscriminately into an enemy formation. Perhaps you see my point.

Simply because something isn't practical for an outmoded form of ancient warfare doesn't mean that it isn't practical for modern use. Bowhunting is entirely inferior to riflehunting, but we do it for the sake of challenge. A culture with a history of spear-hunting might very well take the same line of reasoning to hunting with self-manufacturing glass-like pikes (and in case you make some point about pikes being weapons used only for warfare - consider boar-hunting spears).

(09-04-2015, 04:49 AM)Nyumii Wrote: ...He set his status as Away for the next 207 years.

"SharpTeeth is currently away.
Reason: I'm done with what I needed to say, thank god, and can put this behind me. Bye.
Away Since: Yesterday
Returns on: 12-30-2222"

(09-05-2015, 12:02 AM)Sankoro Wrote: What's the Avali equivalent of trashy daytime talk shows?
This is very important, I'm sure.

(09-04-2015, 04:16 PM)Ryuujin Wrote:

(09-04-2015, 04:49 AM)Nyumii Wrote: ...He set his status as Away for the next 207 years.

"SharpTeeth is currently away.
Reason: I'm done with what I needed to say, thank god, and can put this behind me. Bye.
Away Since: Yesterday
Returns on: 12-30-2222"

Sharpteeth: "ur dum!"
Sharpteeth has left the conversation.


What a classy debating technique 

(09-05-2015, 12:57 PM)Corosar Wrote:

(09-04-2015, 04:16 PM)Ryuujin Wrote: Sharpteeth: "ur dum!"
Sharpteeth has left the conversation.


What a classy debating technique 

Pfff... incrediably classy. i love to know when the wiki rewrite is done though. i personally wanna try and keep as aligned to avali lore as possible... my character tends to require that from race lores for me to be comfortable with it and while i love the avali. i have so many unanswered questions that i feel rather timid about asking... mostly out of not wishing to over grasp onto fine details that may not be so important in the end or if your already gonna answer them. i think i wanna hold my questions till the wiki is repaired.

(09-07-2015, 11:24 AM)Gonzogonz Wrote: Ryuujin, to my knowledge you don't take art requests, but there was one thing i've missed about the Avali and either i've just, well, missed it, or it isn't there, which would be bad.
sorry, to the point: how do you draw an Avali? i mean if youlook up drawing tutorials on the net you can find thousands of tips and tricks and step-by-step ways to draw humans, vehicles, (anthro) animals, yet there don't seem to be one for Avali.
and while there are plenty of good Avali artists out there (looking at you Nexeron) you're probably still the most knowledgeable in terms of ho to draw them.

i'm asking this due to personally want to learn to draw (i currently draw like a quad-amputated dog with a dull pencil up it's butt) and i've gotten a few new friends who are quite good at drawing, both traditional and digital and they seem to have a hard time grasping how to go about drawing an Avali.

i'm not sure how long this would take, again, not an artist myself, but it owuld be nice and useful to have this.