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RE: Avali Nexus Forums 2: Back with a vengeance - Jim_Clonk - 07-13-2015 (07-13-2015, 12:27 AM)Surge Wrote:that's not the problem...(07-13-2015, 12:25 AM)Jim_Clonk Wrote: Yes, but monitors usually only have DVI-D because you don't need the extra analogue signal. Problem is that DVI-I doesn't fit into DVI-D ports. So we have backwards compatibility, but no current compatibility. Makes sense...Isn't that how CPUs work too? Newer generations of chips need motherboards with special plugs, but these plugs usually also work with the previous generation. I might be wrong there and backwards compatibility on CPUs isn't common, it definitely happens though. RE: Avali Nexus Forums 2: Back with a vengeance - Surge - 07-13-2015 (07-13-2015, 12:31 AM)Jim_Clonk Wrote:Sorry I didn't say what I was trying to say there. What I meant to say was that backwards compatibility is infinitely easier than current compatibility, you can't retroactively make old sockets compatible with new plugs, those are called new sockets, and to make the new plugs compatible with old sockets would mean handicapping the new plugs.(07-13-2015, 12:27 AM)Surge Wrote: Isn't that how CPUs work too? Newer generations of chips need motherboards with special plugs, but these plugs usually also work with the previous generation. I might be wrong there and backwards compatibility on CPUs isn't common, it definitely happens though.that's not the problem... RE: Avali Nexus Forums 2: Back with a vengeance - Jim_Clonk - 07-13-2015 (07-13-2015, 12:34 AM)Surge Wrote:You are talking about *forwards* compatibility, I was talking about current compatibility.(07-13-2015, 12:31 AM)Jim_Clonk Wrote: that's not the problem...Sorry I didn't say what I was trying to say there. What I meant to say was that backwards compatibility is infinitely easier than current compatibility, you can't retroactively make old sockets compatible with new plugs, those are called new sockets, and to make the new plugs compatible with old sockets would mean handicapping the new plugs. RE: Avali Nexus Forums 2: Back with a vengeance - Battle Bee - 07-13-2015 Still the best trailer for anything ever. RE: Avali Nexus Forums 2: Back with a vengeance - Surge - 07-13-2015 (07-13-2015, 12:36 AM)Jim_Clonk Wrote:I don't understand the difference here, something either works with the old or the new.(07-13-2015, 12:34 AM)Surge Wrote: Sorry I didn't say what I was trying to say there. What I meant to say was that backwards compatibility is infinitely easier than current compatibility, you can't retroactively make old sockets compatible with new plugs, those are called new sockets, and to make the new plugs compatible with old sockets would mean handicapping the new plugs.You are talking about *forwards* compatibility, I was talking about current compatibility. (07-13-2015, 12:40 AM)Battle Bee Wrote:You've not seen the Dawn of War intro, which I suppose counts as a trailer. RE: Avali Nexus Forums 2: Back with a vengeance - Jim_Clonk - 07-13-2015 (07-13-2015, 12:40 AM)Surge Wrote:The problem is that the new doesn't work with the new.(07-13-2015, 12:36 AM)Jim_Clonk Wrote: You are talking about *forwards* compatibility, I was talking about current compatibility.I don't understand the difference here, something either works with the old or the new. (07-13-2015, 12:40 AM)Surge Wrote:The problem is that the new doesn't work with the new.(07-13-2015, 12:36 AM)Jim_Clonk Wrote: You are talking about *forwards* compatibility, I was talking about current compatibility.I don't understand the difference here, something either works with the old or the new. RE: Avali Nexus Forums 2: Back with a vengeance - Corosar - 07-13-2015 (07-13-2015, 12:26 AM)Shaadaris Wrote: Hm. Skype is borked. When I go to the microsoft account login section it either freezes at loading repeatedly or the page will have no formatting at all and look like an 80s webpage or something.Yea... he had to skip out of the last E3 because of it... he announced it before E3 (07-13-2015, 12:30 AM)Nepeta Wrote:Since forever... he has always been dog(07-13-2015, 12:20 AM)ZealWyman Wrote: words RE: Avali Nexus Forums 2: Back with a vengeance - Surge - 07-13-2015 (07-13-2015, 12:42 AM)Jim_Clonk Wrote:Okay so let me make sure I understand this. System A is replaced by both system B and C, but B and C don't work with each other while working with A.(07-13-2015, 12:40 AM)Surge Wrote: I don't understand the difference here, something either works with the old or the new.The problem is that the new doesn't work with the new. RE: Avali Nexus Forums 2: Back with a vengeance - Jim_Clonk - 07-13-2015 (07-13-2015, 12:45 AM)Surge Wrote:Yes, something like that. But more like system B1 doesn't work with system B2.(07-13-2015, 12:42 AM)Jim_Clonk Wrote: The problem is that the new doesn't work with the new.Okay so let me make sure I understand this. System A is replaced by both system B and C, but B and C don't work with each other while working with A. RE: Avali Nexus Forums 2: Back with a vengeance - Surge - 07-13-2015 (07-13-2015, 12:47 AM)Jim_Clonk Wrote:But if they both came out at roughly the same time, I'd bet they weren't both developed together, even if they are similar, and because there wasn't any cooperation in their R&D it only makes sense they don't work together.(07-13-2015, 12:45 AM)Surge Wrote: Okay so let me make sure I understand this. System A is replaced by both system B and C, but B and C don't work with each other while working with A.Yes, something like that. But more like system B1 doesn't work with system B2. Though that raises the question of why one didn't die out, but we can answer that one cynically by blaming it on corporate contracts. RE: Avali Nexus Forums 2: Back with a vengeance - Jim_Clonk - 07-13-2015 (07-13-2015, 12:52 AM)Surge Wrote:What? That has nothing to do with anything.(07-13-2015, 12:47 AM)Jim_Clonk Wrote: Yes, something like that. But more like system B1 doesn't work with system B2.But if they both came out at roughly the same time, I'd bet they weren't both developed together, even if they are similar, and because there wasn't any cooperation in their R&D it only makes sense they don't work together. (07-13-2015, 12:52 AM)Surge Wrote:What? That has nothing to do with anything.(07-13-2015, 12:47 AM)Jim_Clonk Wrote: Yes, something like that. But more like system B1 doesn't work with system B2.But if they both came out at roughly the same time, I'd bet they weren't both developed together, even if they are similar, and because there wasn't any cooperation in their R&D it only makes sense they don't work together. RE: Avali Nexus Forums 2: Back with a vengeance - Surge - 07-13-2015 (07-13-2015, 12:53 AM)Jim_Clonk Wrote:Well if system B1 and B2 came out at roughly the same time to replace system A they were probably developed by companies X and Y respectively, since both companies are working separately to replace A there is no good reason for them to make B1 compatible with B2 or vice versa, though there is a chance of one being compatible with the other depending on how much these companies know about what the other is doing or the gap between the release of B1 and B2.(07-13-2015, 12:52 AM)Surge Wrote: But if they both came out at roughly the same time, I'd bet they weren't both developed together, even if they are similar, and because there wasn't any cooperation in their R&D it only makes sense they don't work together.What? That has nothing to do with anything. RE: Avali Nexus Forums 2: Back with a vengeance - Rukii - 07-13-2015 (07-13-2015, 12:25 AM)Jim_Clonk Wrote:(07-13-2015, 12:02 AM)Rukii Wrote: Because you need backwards compatibility when transferring and upgrading the generally accepted standards?Yes, but monitors usually only have DVI-D because you don't need the extra analogue signal. Problem is that DVI-I doesn't fit into DVI-D ports. So we have backwards compatibility, but no current compatibility. Makes sense... owo; Then you get dvi d cables..? And besides, the standard is to have dvi-i dual out from your comp - and if you have a monitor with dvi-D, you're a bit silly if you get cables that aren't for your monitor. Some certain shit might only has the d, but then you have the vga right beside it if getting the right cabling is an issue, and you need analogue stuff... RE: Avali Nexus Forums 2: Back with a vengeance - Jim_Clonk - 07-13-2015 (07-13-2015, 12:56 AM)Surge Wrote:Noooo. We are talking about the DVI connectors. There is DVI-I which carries both analogue and digital signals, and DVI-D which carries only digital signals.(07-13-2015, 12:53 AM)Jim_Clonk Wrote: What? That has nothing to do with anything.Well if system B1 and B2 came out at roughly the same time to replace system A they were probably developed by companies X and Y respectively, since both companies are working separately to replace A there is no good reason for them to make B1 compatible with B2 or vice versa, though there is a chance of one being compatible with the other depending on how much these companies know about what the other is doing or the gap between the release of B1 and B2. Having a DVI-I output makes sense as you can connect either a DVI-D cable to extract the digital signal; Or ,with an adaptor, a VGA cable to extract analogue signals. Having a DVI-I input on a monitor does not make sense as it would only be able to use one signal anyway. Thus monitors only have DVI-D ports, usually. Problem is: You can't connect a DVI-I cable to a DVI-D port. So why do we need DVI-I cables if you can't connect them to anything? RE: Avali Nexus Forums 2: Back with a vengeance - Surge - 07-13-2015 (07-13-2015, 01:08 AM)Jim_Clonk Wrote:I'm sticking with my theory that the DVI-I folks weren't aware of DVI-D or just didn't want to make their product compatible with the competition. Then it blew up in their faces.(07-13-2015, 12:56 AM)Surge Wrote: Well if system B1 and B2 came out at roughly the same time to replace system A they were probably developed by companies X and Y respectively, since both companies are working separately to replace A there is no good reason for them to make B1 compatible with B2 or vice versa, though there is a chance of one being compatible with the other depending on how much these companies know about what the other is doing or the gap between the release of B1 and B2.Noooo. We are talking about the DVI connectors. There is DVI-I which carries both analogue and digital signals, and DVI-D which carries only digital signals. RE: Avali Nexus Forums 2: Back with a vengeance - Jim_Clonk - 07-13-2015 (07-13-2015, 01:11 AM)Surge Wrote:It's the same thing! And likely developed by the same people, too.(07-13-2015, 01:08 AM)Jim_Clonk Wrote: Noooo. We are talking about the DVI connectors. There is DVI-I which carries both analogue and digital signals, and DVI-D which carries only digital signals.I'm sticking with my theory that the DVI-I folks weren't aware of DVI-D or just didn't want to make their product compatible with the competition. Then it blew up in their faces. RE: Avali Nexus Forums 2: Back with a vengeance - Surge - 07-13-2015 (07-13-2015, 01:13 AM)Jim_Clonk Wrote:Mate I'm not an engineer, you asked why we have both and I'm offering ideas.(07-13-2015, 01:11 AM)Surge Wrote: I'm sticking with my theory that the DVI-I folks weren't aware of DVI-D or just didn't want to make their product compatible with the competition. Then it blew up in their faces.It's the same thing! And likely developed by the same people, too. RE: Avali Nexus Forums 2: Back with a vengeance - Jim_Clonk - 07-13-2015 (07-13-2015, 01:16 AM)Surge Wrote:I wasn't asking why we have both, I was asking why we have the one that doesn't seem to make sense.(07-13-2015, 01:13 AM)Jim_Clonk Wrote: It's the same thing! And likely developed by the same people, too.Mate I'm not an engineer, you asked why we have both and I'm offering ideas. RE: Avali Nexus Forums 2: Back with a vengeance - Surge - 07-13-2015 (07-13-2015, 01:20 AM)Jim_Clonk Wrote:So why we have both?(07-13-2015, 01:16 AM)Surge Wrote: Mate I'm not an engineer, you asked why we have both and I'm offering ideas.I wasn't asking why we have both, I was asking why we have the one that doesn't seem to make sense. RE: Avali Nexus Forums 2: Back with a vengeance - Jim_Clonk - 07-13-2015 (07-13-2015, 01:21 AM)Rukii Wrote: Because re-usability of old hardware in businesses, then?You are still talking about backwards compatibility. Backwards compatibility is fine. I've been connecting my monitors with vga adapters for a while now. |