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RE: Avali Nexus Forum Thread 3: A crowd. - Shaadaris - 11-30-2015

Inspired by the mysterious shadow people on Midnight planets (and also because I can't art and it's very easy to shade a shadow), I've started making a test race in Starbound to try and get the hang of modding it, since, well, I have no idea how to mod it.
I'm using the Kineptics as a reference for which files to what and why and stuff, but so far progress is... well... slow.
Woo?

They're called the Schymnil.
(Schim is Dutch for shadow/phantom/etc. according to Google, and Nil of course means "nothing" or "void". Yes that is terrible, but it's better than Starbound's race names (I mean asides from Hylotl, they actually seem to have put thought into that one far as I can tell))

So far I've determined it would be very nice if a tool was made where you could just type in
something
then hit enter then type in
something else
and it would automatically put it in the form of a JSON list. Heck, I could probably make that with Python or something.
Why? FREAKIN' NAMEGEN LISTS.
And I want to go into at least 3-letter combinations in the second section, which means an exponentially larger number of things to type out. ARGHH!

On the plus side, with this as it is I can get such gems as Opme (OP me. It's a Minecraft joke), Ale, and Okno (OK, no.)
I'm unsure - is it possible to have a third section in this? So it could pick like Az from the first section, An from the second, and Or from the third and come out with "Azanor"* or something? Probably not... WHY CAN THERE NOT BE UP-TO-DATE DOCUMENTATION ON THIS STUFF ANYWHERE?
(*Yes, I'm aware that wouldn't work with the current list I have there. I am also aware Azanor is a Minecraft modder. I chose the name because I like his work.)

On an unrelated note, is anyone ever gonna fix the theme so Code Boxes don't look like a derpy grid?


RE: Avali Nexus Forum Thread 3: A crowd. - SCN-3_NULL - 11-30-2015






RE: Avali Nexus Forum Thread 3: A crowd. - Ehksidian - 11-30-2015

(11-30-2015, 09:20 AM)Shaadaris Wrote: On an unrelated note, is anyone ever gonna fix the theme so Code Boxes don't look like a derpy grid?

i keep forgetting about that because they're so rarely used i forget they exist.


RE: Avali Nexus Forum Thread 3: A crowd. - Flarezerker - 11-30-2015

Pardon my ignorance, but could somebody explain what a code box is to me?


RE: Avali Nexus Forum Thread 3: A crowd. - Ehksidian - 11-30-2015

(11-30-2015, 02:39 PM)Flarezerker Wrote: Pardon my ignorance, but could somebody explain what a code box is to me?

it's a box you put code in to share it with people. the code inside doesn't react or do anything, so you could post things. example so that would be...ah, yes.

[Image: OqCcHSq.gif][Image: 7f12dd01955fb061046287bd68a97ab1.png][Image: KwJdTfA.gif]
Otherwise known as Ehks
Steam Name: Ehksidian

this is a signature i had saved from elsewhere.

put it in a code box and...

Code:
[align=center][img]http://i.imgur.com/OqCcHSq.gif[/img][img]http://i.gyazo.com/7f12dd01955fb061046287bd68a97ab1.png[/img][img]http://i.imgur.com/KwJdTfA.gif[/img]
[size=xx-small]Otherwise known as Ehks[/size]
[size=x-small][i]Steam Name: Ehksidian[/i][/size][/align]



RE: Avali Nexus Forum Thread 3: A crowd. - SCN-3_NULL - 11-30-2015

http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/3431/?
best weapon mod spoon outta ten




the only good thing for a voiced protagonist


RE: Avali Nexus Forum Thread 3: A crowd. - Surge - 11-30-2015

"oh boy it's monday that means my new stuff is coming in"
*checks package info*
*HAF 912: in transit, expected arrival: friday*
"wha...."
*Logitech peripherals: awaiting pickup*
"but...but...they promised it would be here today..."


RE: Avali Nexus Forum Thread 3: A crowd. - SCN-3_NULL - 11-30-2015

http://gfycat.com/PresentHighDore#
I wont recommend doing that but eh?


RE: Avali Nexus Forum Thread 3: A crowd. - Comito - 11-30-2015

Well, I finally have an idea for what Comito's Ateros (forgot its name, help me Shaadaris! I know it began with 'Hra-' but I forgot the rest) form and function would be.

Unfortunately, it seems Ateros no longer have any relevance. Oh well, feels good to give it some sort of purpose after all this time of it being a pair of fancy bracelets.


RE: Avali Nexus Forum Thread 3: A crowd. - Surge - 11-30-2015

(11-30-2015, 05:44 PM)Comito Wrote: Well, I finally have an idea for what Comito's Ateros (forgot its name, help me Shaadaris! I know it began with 'Hra-' but I forgot the rest) form and function would be.

Unfortunately, it seems Ateros no longer have any relevance. Oh well, feels good to give it some sort of purpose after all this time of it being a pair of fancy bracelets.
Hooray for closure.


RE: Avali Nexus Forum Thread 3: A crowd. - Surge - 11-30-2015

Sometimes I wonder what the battlefields of Roten must look like by now, 10 years and most are largely undisturbed.
I do love the aesthetics of my worldbuilding and things like that bother me that I can't seem to quite visualize them properly.


RE: Avali Nexus Forum Thread 3: A crowd. - Shaadaris - 11-30-2015

(11-30-2015, 05:44 PM)Comito Wrote: Well, I finally have an idea for what Comito's Ateros (forgot its name, help me Shaadaris! I know it began with 'Hra-' but I forgot the rest) form and function would be.

Unfortunately, it seems Ateros no longer have any relevance. Oh well, feels good to give it some sort of purpose after all this time of it being a pair of fancy bracelets.

Hramynta.
But yeah no, Ateros were pretty much Misapplied Phlebotinum and ended up way more everywhere than I originally intended, so in the new setting they aren't around. While a couple of unioned Ateros' minds still exist, I don't think any remember what they were, and none are still Nanomachines. My characters who were or were affiliated with Ateros (i.e. pretty much all of them) are also not in this universe. They're still in the old universe, and I was actually going to write something to finish up their subplot and post it as a kind of short sidestory thing, but I have yet to get around to it.


RE: Avali Nexus Forum Thread 3: A crowd. - Comito - 11-30-2015

(11-30-2015, 07:25 PM)Shaadaris Wrote: Hramynta.
But yeah no, Ateros were pretty much Misapplied Phlebotinum and ended up way more everywhere than I originally intended, so in the new setting they aren't around. While a couple of unioned Ateros' minds still exist, I don't think any remember what they were, and none are still Nanomachines. My characters who were or were affiliated with Ateros (i.e. pretty much all of them) are also not in this universe. They're still in the old universe, and I was actually going to write something to finish up their subplot and post it as a kind of short sidestory thing, but I have yet to get around to it.

Please explain just what they were supposed to do and be. I never entirely figured it out, since I was in and out of the RP constantly.


RE: Avali Nexus Forum Thread 3: A crowd. - Flarezerker - 11-30-2015

So who here  wants Dont Starve? First person to respond gets it and the Multiplayer DLC. Merry Christmas, everyone! 26 days left.


RE: Avali Nexus Forum Thread 3: A crowd. - OdinYggd - 11-30-2015

(11-30-2015, 08:33 PM)Flarezerker Wrote: So who here  wants Dont Starve? First person to respond gets it and the Multiplayer DLC. Merry Christmas, everyone! 26 days left.

Already have Don't Starve Together.

Its a bit Tim Burton in its styling, but when played with friends its a lot of fun.

Here's my wife's review of it. Truely hilarious.


RE: Avali Nexus Forum Thread 3: A crowd. - Shaadaris - 11-30-2015

(11-30-2015, 07:45 PM)Comito Wrote:
(11-30-2015, 07:25 PM)Shaadaris Wrote: Hramynta.
But yeah no, Ateros were pretty much Misapplied Phlebotinum and ended up way more everywhere than I originally intended, so in the new setting they aren't around. While a couple of unioned Ateros' minds still exist, I don't think any remember what they were, and none are still Nanomachines. My characters who were or were affiliated with Ateros (i.e. pretty much all of them) are also not in this universe. They're still in the old universe, and I was actually going to write something to finish up their subplot and post it as a kind of short sidestory thing, but I have yet to get around to it.

Please explain just what they were supposed to do and be. I never entirely figured it out, since I was in and out of the RP constantly.

I originally intended for them to end up as a unique item somehow reflective of the person who owns it, whether a weapon, something useful, etc. and have them gain more forms over time as the character who owns them develops, which can also take on a more discreet form when not being used. They ended up basically being able to take any form whenever, with seemingly no limits, mostly due to the merging and sentience, mentioned below.

I only ever expected there to be a couple sentient ones, and they're supposed to take a long time to become sentient. At this point they would have been similar but different to the personality of the person who owns them, and they would begin to develop themselves as characters, maybe even ending up at odds with their host. Since all of this happened way earlier than expected, they just sort of ended up being whatever.

The merging-with-ateros-to-form-one-being thing wasn't supposed to happen in the first place, but I went along with it. It actually provided an interesting idea, and I made a character based off of it. It doesn't, however, really explain how it works, since I think my original idea was to have the Ateros' soul being part of the host's that's linked to the nanites, except in some rare cases, but I think I just went with "screw it they get souls when they turn sentient because it's simpler" or something.

Basically, TL;DR: They were supposed to be useful tools which in some way represented the user's personality. They ended up as much more powerful seperate characters most of the time and were barely used otherwise, and many ended up either being forgotten or were merged with their hosts to form robo-angst. Nothing I planned for them went as planned. Though I am glad that people were able to form plots with them, etc. it still bothers me that much of my initial ruleset and ideas were thrown out the window and my plans accelerated to the point of giving up.



ALSO OH MY GREAT ELDRITCH GODS MAKING A RACE IN STARBOUND IS ANNOYING.
THIS FILE STRUCTURE IS HELL TO WORK WITH AND EVERY SINGLE THING PRACTICALLY NEEDS SEPERATE JSON FILES AUGH.
I just spent an hour or two copying a few nessessary items and the ship from the florans in order to use as a temporary (probably permanent unless I can get a pixel artist but I don't really intend to go far with this race) and half that time was spent renaming files and replacing every instance of "floran" with my race's name inside the object and ship files, which even with find+replace in wordpad, is very time consuming and annoying. I also had to go back and fix them by re-replacing the mentions of the race in the descriptions section with Florans. AUGH.

On the plus side, progress is being made, however slowly. The worst part is I don't know which files are redundant and should be left out, and which files are nessessary for bare minimum functionality, and all the different AI text and such Quilavabom* put in... is that stuff nessessary to add in or if those files aren't there will it just use the same default every race does? Where am I going to find sound effects to use? Should I just copy another race's for now? Also, editing and making armors is annoying as hell since there's no grid or reference or anything so how are you supposed to know where in the image you should put the thing.
*I am using the Kineptics as a reference of what files I need. I think I should have chosen a simpler race for that.


RE: Avali Nexus Forum Thread 3: A crowd. - Surge - 11-30-2015

(11-30-2015, 09:06 PM)Shaadaris Wrote:
(11-30-2015, 07:45 PM)Comito Wrote: Please explain just what they were supposed to do and be. I never entirely figured it out, since I was in and out of the RP constantly.

I originally intended for them to end up as a unique item somehow reflective of the person who owns it, whether a weapon, something useful, etc. and have them gain more forms over time as the character who owns them develops, which can also take on a more discreet form when not being used. They ended up basically being able to take any form whenever, with seemingly no limits, mostly due to the merging and sentience, mentioned below.

I only ever expected there to be a couple sentient ones, and they're supposed to take a long time to become sentient. At this point they would have been similar but different to the personality of the person who owns them, and they would begin to develop themselves as characters, maybe even ending up at odds with their host. Since all of this happened way earlier than expected, they just sort of ended up being whatever.

The merging-with-ateros-to-form-one-being thing wasn't supposed to happen in the first place, but I went along with it. It actually provided an interesting idea, and I made a character based off of it. It doesn't, however, really explain how it works, since I think my original idea was to have the Ateros' soul being part of the host's that's linked to the nanites, except in some rare cases, but I think I just went with "screw it they get souls when they turn sentient because it's simpler" or something.

Basically, TL;DR: They were supposed to be useful tools which in some way represented the user's personality. They ended up as much more powerful seperate characters most of the time and were barely used otherwise, and many ended up either being forgotten or were merged with their hosts to form robo-angst. Nothing I planned for them went as planned. Though I am glad that people were able to form plots with them, etc. it still bothers me that much of my initial ruleset and ideas were thrown out the window and my plans accelerated to the point of giving up.



ALSO OH MY GREAT ELDRITCH GODS MAKING A RACE IN STARBOUND IS ANNOYING.
THIS FILE STRUCTURE IS HELL TO WORK WITH AND EVERY SINGLE THING PRACTICALLY NEEDS SEPERATE JSON FILES AUGH.
I just spent an hour or two copying a few nessessary items and the ship from the florans in order to use as a temporary (probably permanent unless I can get a pixel artist but I don't really intend to go far with this race) and half that time was spent renaming files and replacing every instance of "floran" with my race's name inside the object and ship files, which even with find+replace in wordpad, is very time consuming and annoying. I also had to go back and fix them by re-replacing the mentions of the race in the descriptions section with Florans. AUGH.

On the plus side, progress is being made, however slowly. The worst part is I don't know which files are redundant and should be left out, and which files are nessessary for bare minimum functionality, and all the different AI text and such Quilavabom* put in... is that stuff nessessary to add in or if those files aren't there will it just use the same default every race does? Where am I going to find sound effects to use? Should I just copy another race's for now? Also, editing and making armors is annoying as hell since there's no grid or reference or anything so how are you supposed to know where in the image you should put the thing.
*I am using the Kineptics as a reference of what files I need. I think I should have chosen a simpler race for that.
In my defense I think I used ylden pretty appropriately at first then thought out the "how" in-depth.

Though in hindsight I kinda cringe at the fact I put myself through that.


RE: Avali Nexus Forum Thread 3: A crowd. - SCN-3_NULL - 11-30-2015

you guys remember I saying I was running out of ink in my last pen about a week ago right, had that resolved except it doesnt. this morning I notice the newly bought pens dont have the usual gel tip protection amd assume the worst that the pen didnt work, guess what I really didnt work, I have to salvage old pen that are barely usable in the depths of my salvage shelve.

so much for my finals paper, I got a feeling it will get worst.


RE: Avali Nexus Forum Thread 3: A crowd. - Flarezerker - 11-30-2015

So nobody wants two free games? Dont Starve and the Multiplayer Beta are still up for grabs.

Alright then, I'll just give them to somebody else.


RE: Avali Nexus Forum Thread 3: A crowd. - Shaadaris - 12-01-2015

As you can see, I have a problem. I need to figure out 2 more customization options for the Schymnil, but I'm not sure WHAT to do.
You see, the Schymnil are shadow people. Their "skin" and "hair" are pitch black, no changing that. The eye color is the only thing that could be changeable, unless maybe I add more features to their sprite? I might be able to add in different eye shapes (1x2 is default, could add 2x1, 1x1, 2x2, etc.) but that may mess with the emotes? I have no idea what to add. Everything on them would be pitch black anyway, so I'm stuck for colors. Horns? Tail? Ears? All of these would also be pitch black and therefore blend in too much to be noticable. ARGH! I wonder if I could somehow tie in a particle effect to them and change the color/shape of that? Like a dark cloud surrounding them or something... Probably not.

UNRELATED NOTE: http://playstarbound.com/30th-november-dye-hard/
FINALLY! Still doesn't allow for coloring specific parts, probably :/