08-25-2015, 05:33 AM
(08-25-2015, 03:57 AM)SharpTeeth Wrote:(08-25-2015, 03:42 AM)Shaadaris Wrote: You're focusing too much on the bad analogy.You already illustrated that point, but all you are doing is illustrating why the critique is necessary. Rather than build things on a flawed base, showing each and every flaw so the idea can readily be reworked without too much difficulty is precisely why I made this in the first place. I am not here to shit on things, I want to see new things built and good stories to be told. Telling people that just because something is still in progress means that the idea can't be criticized is just plain wrong (Starbound?), as in the end, a newer concept will be built off on what already exists. Better to show why that would be a bad idea than to let it be done.
My point was that the lore isn't all 100% set in stone, so you have no reason to be so extremely critical about it.
To quote Ryuu: "You could almost call it 'early access' an incomplete project that suddenly snowballed in popularity"
Keyword: Incomplete.
Things are subject to change, and we aren't all so obsessed about the science that we adhere to it completely, so don't go saying he's driven himself into a rut with the lore, etc, when he's clearly stated that said lore isn't even making an attempt to keep him in the rut, for another bad analogy. It doesn't matter that it's a tangled mess or contradictory because it's in alpha stages in a sense.
Things can be cut, altered, or completely changed at any time. The details are just enough to allow people to come up with an accurate idea of the "Alphali" (Alpha Avali). A concept, blueprints, etc. By no means is it meant to be a full picture or a coherent puzzle. It's more like "this is what it could be, but it also could be different." Heck, Ryuu was intending to redo the lore pretty much from scratch at one point if I recall correctly, but never got around to it because he stopped making the mod in Starbound.
If you actually talked to the community about it instead of just coming by to defend your arguments and post more arguments, you'd realize that none of this is bogging anyone down. It is not as big of a problem as you make it out to be. Heck, we were all perfectly fine before you started jumping in and pointing out things you find to be problematic.
"If you actually talked to the community about it instead of just coming by to defend your arguments and post more arguments, you'd realize that none of this is bogging anyone down"
This is actually what I have been doing from the start. I have been talking to others on Steam, Facepunch, the Starbound forums, hell, even Youtube. My first critique was half as long as this, as most of the ideas that are now included are things I actually pulled from other fans, carefully tossing out and adding in details that stick out. I had a ton of fun learning about leather-working, hypothetical biologies, thermal regulation, rail guns, and dinosaurs. And ended up becoming friends with a few of them too. Just because you don't see the issues (the community only ever has like twelve people at the most online out of a hundred, dude. Are you really gonna state that opinion as certain fact?) doesn't mean others haven't spotted it's problems. Their feathers, their eyes, some arguments about the plot that already exist, all were introduced to me by others simply by asking.
I'm not mad about having a lively debate, but having my points continuously misunderstood is still a sticking point for me! If you honestly think that rant is born of rage, it would be much shorter, wouldn't you think?
I'm sick of arguing because obviously neither of our points are getting through to eachother.
I suppose I just don't understand the point you're trying to make, even after you've directly stated it numerous times.
If you want to keep posting these here, go ahead, but judging from the reactions so far, I don't think a lot of the community here (all twelve of us) will care to listen. In fact, I'd reccommend trying to get a straight line of communication to Ryuu, since he doesn't check in here a lot.