08-11-2015, 01:22 AM
(08-11-2015, 01:15 AM)Calabrese Wrote:Again we reach the conclusion that I'm being selfish again, at no point in this discussion have I cited any experience of mine except as a vague prompt that lead to the OP, I'm not saying "MY jokes are always funny" or "people should always laugh at MY jokes" I'm saying "There are things that are automatically bad to make jokes about, and I disagree with that notion"(08-11-2015, 12:51 AM)Surge Wrote: Because emotions are a totally run away train that you CAN'T control or even influence, and "I'M UPSET" is an absolutely valid reason why nobody should try and cheer up you or anyone else going through the same thing.
Then we have an insult, "you're victim blaming" and "your point is selfish" appeals to emotion and need for popularity to make me feel guilty for having an opinion and make me look like a jackass.
Again, you shouldn't be so attached to the idea of "this makes me sad" that nobody can come in and make you laugh, there is no reason to latch onto anything negative like that.
You seem to be basing your arguments on the assumption that anyone should find a given joke funny or enjoyable. Or that a joke should be good no matter the context. I really don't agree with that. People's sense of humour varies from person to person, and with the context as well, not to mention cultural differences and their state of mood.
I don't think there is such a thing as an objectively good joke, and while I agree that one can joke about whatever they want including suicide and 9/11, it is in fact selfish to expect a given joke about sensitive topics to be funny for anyone in any context. Generally speaking, it's a bad idea to joke about certain things in close proximity with someone who has been a victim of those things, and is still recovering from it.
And as a counter-argument, I'll propose that, if what you want is actually to brighten someone's mood, there are probably many other ways to do so that are less prone to being interpreted the wrong way than joking about it. Not being in the proper mood to appreciate a joke does absolutely not amount to latching on to negativity.
Each one of us thinks differently, and that's just it. Each person deals with their shit in different ways. I almost offed myself like six or seven years ago, and today I can totally laugh at suicide jokes, but there are still some times where you could make a joke that would crack me up good any other day, and it wouldn't move a single muscle on my face.
TL;DR: Keyword: context. If a joke fails to make anyone laugh or even causes someone grief, it's as much your fault as anyone else's.
Obviously your sense of humor colors how you receive various jokes, which is natural, what I am arguing against is allowing political correctness and some silly notion of "never forget" coloring your sense of humor.
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