03-20-2016, 04:03 AM
(03-20-2016, 12:10 AM)Lost Rinoah Wrote: Gasses rise through water, and rotting organic matter creates pockets of gasses. is it stupid to say the organic solvent bacteriums on world might produce different gasses, just like the frozen mosses on world would produce different gases otherwise there would be no homeostasis of the world. I'd blame mosses and microorganisms. Original ocean worlds tend to have MASSIVE amounts of such, and none or few actual "plants" beyond. if they have life on them. Otherwise the life would just die off anyways.Which brings up another bit of wilderness I'm struggling to account for: hydrogen-breathing life. Why hydrogen? Earthly life-forms breathe oxygen for one reason only: to receive electrons at the end of cellular respiration. Aside from that, free oxygen is something you do not want in your body because it bonds to everything and makes a huge mess. Cellular respiration uses hydrogen too, but we get that from sugars (which are basically carbon and hydrogen). What the heck do Avali need to breathe hydrogen for?
(03-20-2016, 12:10 AM)Lost Rinoah Wrote: Fact of the matter is, it's possibe that the avali may have started farming fungi and mosses eventually even with their tribal stature of the time. It took us long enough to figure it out anyways. What's to insult their race by saying "never" for? Fungi, mosses, and bacteriums with fruiting bodies are stated in the avali lore. The only real thing the war did, was push them forwards a LOT, including the farming step.It's hardly an insult to speculate that they never would have learned to farm on their own. The problem is not finding a way to farm: that's problem-solving, and problem-solving is something smart animals (like humans and Avali) are good at. The big stumbling-block is coming up with the idea of farming in the first place when no such thing has ever existed before and no-one has the slightest inkling that it's possible.
They WOULD have eventually learned how to farm. When, nobody knows. But they wouldn't have been quite where there are yet if it weren't for this.
My understanding is that we kind of stumbled into farming by accident: the occasional kernel of grain that we didn't eat wound up in our trash piles and sprouted, and eventually people started making the connection. This is a likely event for humans, and in fact agriculture arose independently multiple times in different areas. We're not the only farming species, either: beavers, leafcutter ants, and Ambrosia beetles could all be considered farming species. What holds the Avali back is that:
A) They were much more nomadic than we were (not that we weren't nomadic--we followed animal herds--but avali are much more so)
B) They were hunters, not hunter-gatherers (as far as I can tell)
Point B is an especially big problem. The whole process breaks down: they're not collecting seeds/spores/whatever to sprout in their encampments and trash piles, and they're not paying attention to edible plants.
(03-20-2016, 12:10 AM)Lost Rinoah Wrote: Also, by mistakes, I mean his mistakes, not yours, or writer's errors. And yes. Unless he was purposefully trying to screw up to the point he basically did absolutely nothing except tell you "this might happen." and nothing else. Those were mistakes.Without getting spoilery, I'll say that Mengele's motivations are more complex than they might appear.