(09-21-2015, 04:51 PM)SilverOtter Wrote: [ -> ] (09-21-2015, 04:47 PM)Marxon Wrote: [ -> ]Don't make ultimatums, this is the people's roleplay, not just yours, just because you personally don't like something doesn't mean you alone can change that.
It's actually quite practical, more exploring means more new things to study, and the aerogel swords are the hallmark of the Avali, removing that is like removing clowns from the circus.
They can't exactly study on the move.
And fine, you keep the aerogel, but it's not going to be exclusive to the Avali.
Also there's not exactly any sort of uplifter race like in the original lore...
Uhhhh, they actually stay for a while.
And please, dismount the high horse, you acting like lore dictator is why conversation is dying here, most people would rather not deal with you, but I'm willing to speak out.
This is NOT an attack, only a statement that your behavior has caused trouble in the past, and will keep causing trouble until you change it.
This isn't just your sandbox, share.
(09-21-2015, 05:20 PM)SilverOtter Wrote: [ -> ] (09-21-2015, 04:55 PM)Marxon Wrote: [ -> ]Uhhhh, they actually stay for a while.
And please, dismount the high horse, you acting like lore dictator is why conversation is dying here, most people would rather not deal with you, but I'm willing to speak out.
This is NOT an attack, only a statement that your behavior has caused trouble in the past, and will keep causing trouble until you change it.
This isn't just your sandbox, share.
Alright, what do you want out of the Avali?
To be exact I don't see anyone agreeing with your stance either
Not to have the basic ideas that define them like rapid 3d printing and nomadic nature.
Also worth noting, they have an entire fleet dedicated to research, and the Oracle does most of the work, the Avali just gather info for it.
(09-21-2015, 11:06 AM)Marxon Wrote: [ -> ] (09-21-2015, 04:36 AM)Corosar Wrote: [ -> ] if someone complains about this fact... i could care less about their oppinions
That's exactly the wrong attitude to have.
and frankly marxon i gave up caring about what you thought of me and my choices long ago... and no i don't hate you... i just simply don't care enough to be bothered by your oppinions anymore... i just wanted to state this because... i wanted to make sure you knew... though i doubt it matters you still think i am a peice of crap... so meh... also i have always been a stickler for lore.. which...
(09-21-2015, 05:20 PM)SilverOtter Wrote: [ -> ] (09-21-2015, 04:55 PM)Marxon Wrote: [ -> ]Uhhhh, they actually stay for a while.
And please, dismount the high horse, you acting like lore dictator is why conversation is dying here, most people would rather not deal with you, but I'm willing to speak out.
This is NOT an attack, only a statement that your behavior has caused trouble in the past, and will keep causing trouble until you change it.
This isn't just your sandbox, share.
Alright, what do you want out of the Avali?
To be exact I don't see anyone agreeing with your stance either
brings up this topic.. sure i don't care that there is no uplifter race (as much as its gonna drive me insane) but i do feel that the idea of removing the technology or nomadicy from the avali kinda destroys them for me.. i do know that the avali were suppose to have tech from our near future if we didn't care about morality... and i don't mind seeing aerogel everywhere.. hell we have that shit in our shoe inserts for comforting us! i have already established that Coro came from an alternate universe and was forced to conform to the universes laws as per usual for her trips between such places... in the last RP the avali key traits was tech and constant movement... i don't see why tech can't be learned on the move at all.. though i may have a work around for this for my character and this technically does not fully apply to me... i feel the others should be given time to choose on this.
Silver please don't stop being the worldbuilder for this RP. Everyone may not agree, but I think you do a pretty decent job.
Anyways I was thinking we should have a class system for the psychics. Maybe once you hit a certain level or point you become a new class or something.
If you disagree with someone else's ultimatum. You have to provide another and say why. Not just "You're wrong because my OPINION is more right."
I do hope you'll be glad to continue among the screaming silver. There's really been very little constructive criticism I've seen so far to help this project among the yelling.
Seriously people. Whining doesn't provide any benefit. Actual input does.
So I've been presented an lose-lose situation: either cut off the ability for others to respond to my workings in the universe, and with it their suggestions, or keep the gates open and deal with harassment from controversial decisions.
With one, I look like a power hungry asshole who can't take criticism, even with my personal reasons. I lose all the players who are essential to the RP. With the other, every suggestion could potentially be harrowed, with no actual suggestions to counter mine but still solve the problem.
Sigh.
I want to say this. This universe, for all it's flaws, is one of my most developed ones, that's why I care so damn much about it. This is why I want to fix the Avali. This is why I thought up the hypernet, and psionics, and redid the story in an attempt to make it interesting again.
For all the "me me me" that I sound like, sharing is one of my greatest joys. I wanted you all to be happy in a universe I shared with you, so I could be happy. That is why stuck with the RP, even as the stress got problematic. When other people cared about the world, and acted with it, genuinely roleplaying with what I shared, I was happy.
But I refuse to give an imperfect gift. That's why I wanted your opinion, to fix it. But what can I do? I get someone who refuses to have a change to a mascot. But I can't leave them. Out of place, powered beyond what even the major races carry, and have no right to just be a straight lift from the source with all the other species having unique backgrounds and beliefs.
I don't think I can say it in a way where I don't sound self-centered. I can only be honest. I wanted everyone to play, so they'll be happy, so I share, and I'll be happy.
I wasted so many nights in writing the original. I sound like an asshole for saying it was for everyone else, but if I didn't care about anyone else, I wouldn't have tried.
Shaad's right. I can't take a single bit of criticism without blowing up. I can't solve a universe if I can't solve relations.
(09-19-2015, 09:17 PM)Shaadaris Wrote: [ -> ] (09-19-2015, 08:52 PM)Lost Rinoah Wrote: [ -> ]*Puts work into continuing creation of new die roller while continuing study of all available information supplied so far that exists in an easily consumed format*
Dice? Ohgodno.
What? I am making the written version of what will in the future be an electronic sci fi/wasteland adventure style RPG that'll be fleshed out. I didn't say it was based on this. I have my own worlds to handle.
Like 12 of them coff coff.
(09-22-2015, 03:47 AM)SilverOtter Wrote: [ -> ]So I've been presented an lose-lose situation: either cut off the ability for others to respond to my workings in the universe, and with it their suggestions, or keep the gates open and deal with harassment from controversial decisions.
With one, I look like a power hungry asshole who can't take criticism, even with my personal reasons. I lose all the players who are essential to the RP. With the other, every suggestion could potentially be harrowed, with no actual suggestions to counter mine but still solve the problem.
Sigh.
I want to say this. This universe, for all it's flaws, is one of my most developed ones, that's why I care so damn much about it. This is why I want to fix the Avali. This is why I thought up the hypernet, and psionics, and redid the story in an attempt to make it interesting again.
For all the "me me me" that I sound like, sharing is one of my greatest joys. I wanted you all to be happy in a universe I shared with you, so I could be happy. That is why stuck with the RP, even as the stress got problematic. When other people cared about the world, and acted with it, genuinely roleplaying with what I shared, I was happy.
But I refuse to give an imperfect gift. That's why I wanted your opinion, to fix it. But what can I do? I get someone who refuses to have a change to a mascot. But I can't leave them. Out of place, powered beyond what even the major races carry, and have no right to just be a straight lift from the source with all the other species having unique backgrounds and beliefs.
I don't think I can say it in a way where I don't sound self-centered. I can only be honest. I wanted everyone to play, so they'll be happy, so I share, and I'll be happy.
I wasted so many nights in writing the original. I sound like an asshole for saying it was for everyone else, but if I didn't care about anyone else, I wouldn't have tried.
Shaad's right. I can't take a single bit of criticism without blowing up. I can't solve a universe if I can't solve relations.
*lightly squeaks and covers her head a bit*
oh god did i set this off... i... i am sorry i... i never said my character was insanely powerful... i always stated that Coro was considered a god in her homeworld.. though its also stated that a god is nothing more than a being with great affinity for a particular aspect of what they do.. which due to the nature of this new world was severly weakened to a intense level when she used such abilities.
For those that were not part of the old RP and wishes for a list of things Coro did and what is gonna change for vets... i decided to put them here hold onto your butts... cuz this is gonna be a doozy:
Lore: Coro is born from the Dragon God of Chaos and Change in her homeworld which took part in the last RP alongside Coro. The Dragon of Chaos and Change in her homeworld was notorious for the fact her genetic make-up was exceptionally unstable allowing unassisted transformations and causing her young to always have a unique trait to them. Coro was born with this chaotically unstable genetics but was not able to transform on her own. Her brother, whom was born part machine and the God of Technology of her homeworld, developed a way to help her change forms through the use of a modified transformation device which was also able to store all the forms she had become over time. She used this device to gather knowledge on other races by becoming them in all senses of the word. Though there were two issues with it originally.
One, This device originally worked on Aura, A source of energy that all beings produce, when there is excess amounts of in life it get released and build into central pool of energy in her world. here is the problem with it. She discovered that other dimensions she visited during her research trips, Which required her mothers chaos abilities to even move between worlds thus the original reason for her mother in the original RP, Did not have Aura pools and no creature would produce it. This disabled her ability to change. her mother was able to produce Aura and thus allowed her changes originally at a frequent rate.
Two, and this one is both a issue and a benefit. When she shifted forms, her body would slowly manipulate her mind and "bleed" the mentality of the race into her. This caused issues as it was something that she could not fight off. It was however benefical as it allowed her to learn how the race naturally lived. If she felt that she could actually enjoy being said race she would spend an average lifetime in that form to learn how they would live and has been known to form families and friends with said life.
RP effect: This was her secondary trait in the original RP. Due to her mother being around she could infinitely transform. This made her rather powerful as long as her mother remained in the world. This was also the main reason for why Coro was an avali in the first place.
Changes: Her mother is not gonna be in the world this time around. This limits Coro's ability to TF more than 3 times as it relies on the aura battery to change. as such this will be how it is severely nerfed but still there for lore sakes. Coro is gonna remain what i call a Ryujinnian Avali.
Lore: Coro was born into a family of Reapers in her world. This granted her abilities to manipulate the soul and the ability to visually look at a soul. This also granted her time immortality. She will never die by the effects of time or illnesses that arise from age. Her natural affinity with the soul allows her to read minds from those that don't have the will to block her out. and have the ability of bringing back someone from the dead as long as their soul is not damaged or send to a new life yet. However she is not a fully trained reaper as her grandmother is still training her and such training from her world usually takes 50 thousand years to master when coro has only been alive for aproximately 20 thousand years. This causes her to become fatigued quickly with extended use which if she continues further can cause intense effects on her body, mind and soul. She however has a law in her homeworld that prevents her from interfering with another Reaper's job in a world she is not native in and must seek out permission from the local Reapers to mess with life and death. however she is still allowed to peer into the minds of others and dream dive as they don't mess with the health of the host soul. She refuses to control others and often prefers to protect against mental tampering then do so herself. her soul abilities also back her mind up and allow her to restore her mind should it be tampered in a way that is unnatural, Such as a Psi attack or mindwash. however this takes time and if caught off guard and without her soul shield up. She is helpless to stop attacks from even lesser Psionics as she technically has no Psionic powers of her own.
RP effects: Basically runs down to Psionic level powers without Psionics. unsure how this would be calculated as a Psi level for reference. Her abilities still fall under similar traits of Psionics minus the fact that she has the ability to work as a Reaper and ferry souls to the next life or to their final destination. This also allows her to read minds. cost is physical exhaustion, mental exhaustion, unconciousness, and coma when severe use is applied. Lacks defense against a psionic unless she knows its coming
Changes: not sure how much i can change but consequences for effecting life and death are often involved with the reaper offended... meaning any punishment that reaper wants is given to Coro.
Crap hit the wrong button still writing this.
Coroar, you have proven that you can reasonably handle being overpowered. But it is unreasonable either way. I don't want to turn you away from the RP, but it is unfair to other players to give you power they can't have, especially since I placed caps on psi levels. Your powers also require extensive work to make sense in-universe.
I'd gladly help out with worldbuilding if I was given the opportunity.
That being said I really don't want to stray too drastically from the biology Ryuujin has set out to be canon.
(09-22-2015, 04:19 PM)Never Wrote: [ -> ]I'd gladly help out with worldbuilding if I was given the opportunity.
That being said I really don't want to stray too drastically from the biology Ryuujin has set out to be canon.
If you love lugging around sealed suits with heavy cooling systems, then so be it. You get no saving throws when you walk outside on a usual planet without suiting up. You will die. Horribly.
More changes.
The ability to use implants for psi powers involving the properties of mass is no longer canon, since their original propose (explaining glovetech) is now invalid.
Avali no longer have Avalon for a homeworld. Instead, they get a planet that is similar in scope, but 20-30% less extreme. They also control far less planets than in the original RP, and all but six of those planets are under temporary ownership due to their nomadicy.
Avali now have a bad reputation in Freespace due to their tendency to disturb local infrastructure, and by the end usually have made off with whatever resources the Spacers couldn't stop then from taking.
Don't know if this is too late or not, but what if Humans had evolved slightly? Even if something as small as losing the little toe.
(09-22-2015, 06:06 PM)DaBayleySaur Wrote: [ -> ]Don't know if this is too late or not, but what if Humans had evolved slightly? Even if something as small as losing the little toe.
How about no wisdom teeth? They're vestigial anyway.
You actually need your little toe for balance, by the way.
(09-22-2015, 06:10 PM)Umbra Wrote: [ -> ] (09-22-2015, 06:06 PM)DaBayleySaur Wrote: [ -> ]Don't know if this is too late or not, but what if Humans had evolved slightly? Even if something as small as losing the little toe.
How about no wisdom teeth? They're vestigial anyway.
You actually need your little toe for balance, by the way.
Oh. I thought we didn't need that because I read it somewhere. I'm not really too into Biology to be honest.
But maybe they could be similar to the Homo Sapiens Robustus in this?:
http://jaysimons.deviantart.com/art/Future-evolution-of-Man-362652184?offset=25#comments
(09-22-2015, 06:10 PM)Umbra Wrote: [ -> ] (09-22-2015, 06:06 PM)DaBayleySaur Wrote: [ -> ]Don't know if this is too late or not, but what if Humans had evolved slightly? Even if something as small as losing the little toe.
How about no wisdom teeth? They're vestigial anyway.
You actually need your little toe for balance, by the way.
Well, agreed on the wisdom teeth point.
One of the bigger changes to humans is the lack of caucasian skin colors. Most of this comes from the harshness of space (not a great boon for those who lived in milder climates on earth) , and otherwise was caused by lack of the gene's distribution during the beginning of space travel. There are a few families who are, at the very least similar to, caucasian, but inbreeding is suspected.
Oh, and the stomach acid is different too. It's more effective against inorganic molecules, or what we consider inorganic here.
(09-22-2015, 06:47 PM)SilverOtter Wrote: [ -> ] (09-22-2015, 06:10 PM)Umbra Wrote: [ -> ]How about no wisdom teeth? They're vestigial anyway.
You actually need your little toe for balance, by the way.
Well, agreed on the wisdom teeth point.
One of the bigger changes to humans is the lack of caucasian skin colors. Most of this comes from the harshness of space (not a great boon for those who lived in milder climates on earth) , and otherwise was caused by lack of the gene's distribution during the beginning of space travel. There are a few families who are, at the very least similar to, caucasian, but inbreeding is suspected.
Oh, and the stomach acid is different too. It's more effective against inorganic molecules, or what we consider inorganic here.
Really? Huh. Didn't know about those changes.
There's probably some other vestigial human structures that you could scrap, but I'm blanking on what they are.
(09-22-2015, 03:35 PM)SilverOtter Wrote: [ -> ]Coroar, you have proven that you can reasonably handle being overpowered. But it is unreasonable either way. I don't want to turn you away from the RP, but it is unfair to other players to give you power they can't have, especially since I placed caps on psi levels. Your powers also require extensive work to make sense in-universe.
I did state that the Transformation device change (Yol not being in this time as she was destructively overpowered) it would force Coro into a single form so transformation is simply there as an explaination to why she is an avali.
soul abilities have the major downfall compared to Psi as to cause not only mental drain like Psi but also physical and soul relaxed injuries. I planned that she technically does not have Psi abilities though these soul abilities could be considered similar to low-mid Psi as their effects are similar. sadly... though is the fact its part of Coro's character and how i established her as. in fact compared to the original form (pre-RP) she was far more overpowered and i knew it. I also will not have her using the ability to revive others nor will i have her controlling minds as i find both overpowered in both soul abilities and Psionics. all i planned to do was allow her the ability to read weak willed minds and explore dreams of others. also i thought for sure that you were going to allow for reapers in this version. also if you feel the soul shield is too large of an advantage i am willing to part with it... though i will state she is gonna be intensely vulnerable to Psionic attacks from almost anyone because of the lack of it. however i do wish to retain her memory recovery. I was hoping that if there were reapers still in this world it would put alot of pressure onto Coro to even be able to use these abilities taking her focus away from other things... so there is no way she could use them in combat situations.
Short version of soul section: Removal of dealing with dead souls having to do with moving them. Removal of mind manipulation. Removal of soul shield. Retaining mind reading though lessened to weak beings. Retaining of mind repair from manipulation over time. Retaining ability to see other's souls at a short range (Ie. 10 feet) as that has little effect. is that approved of. also quick question... you stated the merging of the ethereal and physical planes as ghosts and such are still in... would that not technically already be considered part of the universe then? No Psionics at all in place of being able to see spirits and souls having slight control over them.
her abyss abilities are not in play as she can't use her natural form and they only come into play when she is in the form.
I am fully okay with frozen Ryujinnian Avali's for myself as i plan to maintain to his lore on avali biology at least.
if you have anything wrong with above and things needed to be explained further or tweeked please just say ... i am trying to maintain what i enjoy but still remain fair to others.
What if humans had slightly smaller teeth?
(09-22-2015, 07:05 PM)Umbra Wrote: [ -> ] (09-22-2015, 06:47 PM)SilverOtter Wrote: [ -> ]Well, agreed on the wisdom teeth point.
One of the bigger changes to humans is the lack of caucasian skin colors. Most of this comes from the harshness of space (not a great boon for those who lived in milder climates on earth) , and otherwise was caused by lack of the gene's distribution during the beginning of space travel. There are a few families who are, at the very least similar to, caucasian, but inbreeding is suspected.
Oh, and the stomach acid is different too. It's more effective against inorganic molecules, or what we consider inorganic here.
Really? Huh. Didn't know about those changes.
There's probably some other vestigial human structures that you could scrap, but I'm blanking on what they are.
Appendix? Have they found a use for that yet other than causing problems?
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