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(05-23-2015, 11:32 PM)Marxon Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-23-2015, 11:30 PM)Shaadaris Wrote: [ -> ]((Listen. I agree that magic should have rules and all that, but everyone needs to accept that in this RP, magic is a thing. In fact, it is multiple things. It will continue to be a thing, and has not stopped being a thing. If anyone has a problem with that aspect, they can go to the Starbound Forum Nexus RP Thread. They don't have magic there, except maybe souls but that's a small thing and soul-related "magic" is rarely seen.))

// magic is a thing, but not everything.

//and no I'm not going to leave because you want things your way

And we aren't all going to remove 80% of the magic just because you want things your way.

THAT SAID...
EVERYONE (and you know who I mean by that) TONE IT DOWN. Yes, magic may be a thing, but this is getting ridiculous. Yes it does say nonserious in the title but come on...
(05-23-2015, 11:34 PM)AustinLB90 Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-23-2015, 11:32 PM)Marxon Wrote: [ -> ]// magic is a thing, but not everything.

//and no I'm not going to leave because you want things your way

//except you are out numbered most of us want magic, not overpowered magic but magic, and so you probably should if you can't handle that.
//WHY DO YOU WANT MAGIC? WHAT CAN MAGIC DO THAT ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY CANNOT?

and I've blown a gasket...
(05-23-2015, 11:36 PM)Segolia Wrote: [ -> ]//As primarily a spectator, I think the major problem here is totally random things being introduced with no prior explanation or relation to anything. There's some alright extended plots here which I can actually follow because they are introduced gradually and are internally consistent, but there is also a lot of *waves hand* <Huge problem from nowhere> *waves again* <huge problem is magically gone because I said so> which just trivialises the nature of whatever you were trying to introduce.

//yes but getting rid of magic isn't going to fix it, retconning the stupid things like the angels and the elementals will.
(05-23-2015, 11:37 PM)AustinLB90 Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-23-2015, 11:36 PM)Segolia Wrote: [ -> ]//As primarily a spectator, I think the major problem here is totally random things being introduced with no prior explanation or relation to anything. There's some alright extended plots here which I can actually follow because they are introduced gradually and are internally consistent, but there is also a lot of *waves hand* <Huge problem from nowhere> *waves again* <huge problem is magically gone because I said so> which just trivialises the nature of whatever you were trying to introduce.

//yes but getting rid of magic isn't going to fix it, retconning the stupid things like the angels and the elementals will.

// And retconning the elementals brings back..

// GUESS WHO!

// OH! ITS CLONE 9!

// AND HE HAS FUCKING MAGIC!

// YAAAAY!
(05-23-2015, 11:37 PM)AustinLB90 Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-23-2015, 11:36 PM)Segolia Wrote: [ -> ]//As primarily a spectator, I think the major problem here is totally random things being introduced with no prior explanation or relation to anything. There's some alright extended plots here which I can actually follow because they are introduced gradually and are internally consistent, but there is also a lot of *waves hand* <Huge problem from nowhere> *waves again* <huge problem is magically gone because I said so> which just trivialises the nature of whatever you were trying to introduce.

//yes but getting rid of magic isn't going to fix it, retconning the stupid things like the angels and the elementals will.
(Torgue voice)

I DEFINITELY AGREE NOW!

*air guitar solo*
(05-23-2015, 11:30 PM)Shaadaris Wrote: [ -> ]((Listen. I agree that magic should have rules and all that, but everyone needs to accept that in this RP, magic is a thing. In fact, it is multiple things. It will continue to be a thing, and has not stopped being a thing. If anyone has a problem with that aspect, they can go to the Starbound Forum Nexus RP Thread. They don't have magic there, except maybe souls but that's a small thing and soul-related "magic" is rarely seen.))

// i don't think any here, even Marx, is again't magic. and i think there should be multiple forms of magic. AS LONG AS IT IS EXPLAINED WELL AND IN A DECENT MANNER. yes, we have angels and demons, and they should stay, i'm just personally tired of people with random summoning and no explanations. the same way if someone made a black-hole gun that instantly destroyed things with a single shot, people would find it annoying and broken.
(05-23-2015, 11:37 PM)Marxon Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-23-2015, 11:34 PM)AustinLB90 Wrote: [ -> ]//except you are out numbered most of us want magic, not overpowered magic but magic, and so you probably should if you can't handle that.
//WHY DO YOU WANT MAGIC? WHAT CAN MAGIC DO THAT ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY CANNOT?

and I've blown a gasket...

//it can't but it makes amazing things possible for people like my character who don't know how to do science and the like, and his magic isn't overpowered if he tried not only would it not work but he would be left with no energy.
// Time to revert back to Clone 8.

// Which never happened by the way.
(05-23-2015, 11:39 PM)Gonzogonz Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-23-2015, 11:30 PM)Shaadaris Wrote: [ -> ]((Listen. I agree that magic should have rules and all that, but everyone needs to accept that in this RP, magic is a thing. In fact, it is multiple things. It will continue to be a thing, and has not stopped being a thing. If anyone has a problem with that aspect, they can go to the Starbound Forum Nexus RP Thread. They don't have magic there, except maybe souls but that's a small thing and soul-related "magic" is rarely seen.))

AS LONG AS IT IS EXPLAINED WELL AND IN A DECENT MANNER.
YEEEEEEEEESSSSSSS
(05-23-2015, 11:38 PM)Penguin Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-23-2015, 11:37 PM)AustinLB90 Wrote: [ -> ]//yes but getting rid of magic isn't going to fix it, retconning the stupid things like the angels and the elementals will.

// And retconning the elementals brings back..

// GUESS WHO!

// OH! ITS CLONE 9!

// AND HE HAS FUCKING MAGIC!

// YAAAAY!

//i have in idea, how about we bring in unretcon(?) penguin's death, but tis time it will be heart failure.
(05-23-2015, 11:39 PM)Gonzogonz Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-23-2015, 11:30 PM)Shaadaris Wrote: [ -> ]((Listen. I agree that magic should have rules and all that, but everyone needs to accept that in this RP, magic is a thing. In fact, it is multiple things. It will continue to be a thing, and has not stopped being a thing. If anyone has a problem with that aspect, they can go to the Starbound Forum Nexus RP Thread. They don't have magic there, except maybe souls but that's a small thing and soul-related "magic" is rarely seen.))

// i don't think any here, even Marx, is again't magic. and i think there should be multiple forms of magic. AS LONG AS IT IS EXPLAINED WELL AND IN A DECENT MANNER. yes, we have angels and demons, and they should stay, i'm just personally tired of people with random summoning and no explanations. the same way if someone made a black-hole gun that instantly destroyed things with a single shot, people would find it annoying and broken.

// I think that's exactly what the main problem here is. There's magic that exists and has been around for quite a while, but there's methods and reasons behind it as opposed to coming out of nowhere.
// A simple way to solve this problem would be actual explanations instead of just summoning things out of nowhere.


// On a similar note, I'll probably start typing up the explanation of how Umbra does his stuff in an hour or so... Probably some time after this whole debate dies down.
(05-23-2015, 11:42 PM)AustinLB90 Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-23-2015, 11:38 PM)Penguin Wrote: [ -> ]// And retconning the elementals brings back..

// GUESS WHO!

// OH! ITS CLONE 9!

// AND HE HAS FUCKING MAGIC!

// YAAAAY!

//i have in idea, how about we bring in unretcon(?) penguin's death, but tis time it will be heart failure.

//.....

// You're talking about GENERATION 2.

// CLONE 9 IS GENERATION FUCKING ONE.

// CLONE 9 IS GOING TO BE RETCONNED.

// SAME WITH THE GENERATIONS.

// CLONE 8 WILL TAKE THE SEAT NOW.
(05-23-2015, 11:30 PM)Joeythomas Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-23-2015, 11:25 PM)Gonzogonz Wrote: [ -> ]*turns around, raising his right arm towards Showtime*
what the hell are you doing here? get out, NOW!



// i'd like to read it, and i think others would be too. put it in a spoiler.


// i think i already mentioned this to you, sorry if i did, Gonzo's "Magic" is based on Thaumcraft's mechanics and Lore, we've already had a few visits from the Crimson Cult (no one is worried we haven't seen them in a while? hehe...)

// to quickly explain Thaumcraft's mechanics is a bit hard, as there is quite a lot to explain. but to somewhat quickly explain it:
// everything in the world is composed of six primary aspects (the Primal Aspects), Fire, Water, Earth, Air, Order and Entropy. out of these aspects can be made compound aspects, such as the Life aspect. (from water and earth, that's sort of what life is/came from when you think about it). you can then combine compound aspects to get more compound aspects.
// there is more to mention, but that is the basics and the bad.

// and what i meant by calling you a hypocrite is that i have seen many, many cases of people using pretty much magic, calling it science. and so far, large cities floating out of the ground, one-handed pistols shooting 1 million volts of lightning with out need charge time, seems like magic to me. i'm sure there is more to it if you got an option to explain it, but so far, every chance Gonzo has had to explain something, he has taken it. if the problem is that you haven't gotten to explaining it, then that can (not saying it is)  be your fault for not taking the initiative and doing the explaining.

// and lastly, i'm 100% in favor of dismissing people who use poorly/unexplained magic. Magic, just like science, needs a good explanation.

[your vision becomes dark and grim]
...
You know you want be able to run away with all your artifacts and research.
I'm here to lighten the load

yeah, no. i'm not leaving. now get out and let me collect some things in peace without people breaking into my house.
(05-23-2015, 11:34 PM)AustinLB90 Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-23-2015, 11:32 PM)Marxon Wrote: [ -> ]// magic is a thing, but not everything.

//and no I'm not going to leave because you want things your way

//except you are out numbered most of us want magic, not overpowered magic but magic, and so you probably should if you can't handle that.

// you, penguin and joey are the main annoyances when it comes to poorly explained magic. i haven't gotten a single explination from you so far, and you've been doing a lot of confusing, useless shit.
(05-23-2015, 11:37 PM)Umbra Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-23-2015, 11:30 PM)Shaadaris Wrote: [ -> ]((Listen. I agree that magic should have rules and all that, but everyone needs to accept that in this RP, magic is a thing. In fact, it is multiple things. It will continue to be a thing, and has not stopped being a thing. If anyone has a problem with that aspect, they can go to the Starbound Forum Nexus RP Thread. They don't have magic there, except maybe souls but that's a small thing and soul-related "magic" is rarely seen.))

// The problem is mostly that people are abusing the whole concept of it. While what Umbra and Gonz use are explained and not absolutely unbeatable, there's been a surplus of the kind of magic that just goes "poof! this happens!" lately. I'm honestly annoyed with it, as Marx is, because all it's being used for is stirring up trouble.
// Not only is it giving Umbra stress in the RP, but it's stressing me in real life as well.
// i'm personally in favor of either hard-removing Austin's magic, or at least forcing him to explain it far more indeapth, and if it's not good, we'll either work on fixing it, or just scrapping it. cause i'm having the same deal with here too.
(05-23-2015, 11:45 PM)Gonzogonz Wrote: [ -> ]// you, penguin and joey are the main annoyances when it comes to poorly explained magic. i haven't gotten a single explination from you so far, and you've been doing a lot of confusing, useless shit.

// Hey.

// Merry fucking christmas.

// Clone 9 is gone now.

// All that shitty magic.

// Now its clone 8.
(05-23-2015, 11:42 PM)Marxon Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-23-2015, 11:39 PM)Gonzogonz Wrote: [ -> ]AS LONG AS IT IS EXPLAINED WELL AND IN A DECENT MANNER.
YEEEEEEEEESSSSSSS

// you know the final fantasy 4-after story explaination of magic that's his, except he can do more things, but not much more if he tried to do something insane like dimension crossing it would 1.partially work and no more 2. not work at all and be drained of energy 3. 1 + no energy after

(05-23-2015, 11:47 PM)AustinLB90 Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-23-2015, 11:42 PM)Marxon Wrote: [ -> ]YEEEEEEEEESSSSSSS

// you know the final fantasy 4-after story explaination of magic that's his, except he can do more things, but not much more if he tried to do something insane like dimension crossing it would 1.partially work and no more 2. not work at all and be drained of energy 3. 1 + no energy after

//i can explain it better, most of the time he doesn't really lose a lot of energy and he can't get back this magical energy until he eats or sleeps
(05-23-2015, 11:36 PM)Segolia Wrote: [ -> ]//As primarily a spectator, I think the major problem here is totally random things being introduced with no prior explanation or relation to anything. There's some alright extended plots here which I can actually follow because they are introduced gradually and are internally consistent, but there is also a lot of *waves hand* <Huge problem from nowhere> *waves again* <huge problem is magically gone because I said so> which just trivialises the nature of whatever you were trying to introduce.
As one of the people who's been doing the extended plot thing, this bothers me to no end.
This is why in many ways I prefer the RP in the SBForums. People can't just suddenly introduce 500+ things that trivialize everything that came before and everything that will come after, at least until the next level-up in ridiculous sudden threat appears.
It's like a long-running anime:
All the heroes are pretty powerful now, some to the point of godhood, so for some reason people decide the only way to present a challenge is to keep throwing even godlier things at them, at which point they get stronger and the whole process repeats...

(05-23-2015, 11:37 PM)Umbra Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-23-2015, 11:30 PM)Shaadaris Wrote: [ -> ]((Listen. I agree that magic should have rules and all that, but everyone needs to accept that in this RP, magic is a thing. In fact, it is multiple things. It will continue to be a thing, and has not stopped being a thing. If anyone has a problem with that aspect, they can go to the Starbound Forum Nexus RP Thread. They don't have magic there, except maybe souls but that's a small thing and soul-related "magic" is rarely seen.))

// The problem is mostly that people are abusing the whole concept of it. While what Umbra and Gonz use are explained and not absolutely unbeatable, there's been a surplus of the kind of magic that just goes "poof! this happens!" lately. I'm honestly annoyed with it, as Marx is, because all it's being used for is stirring up trouble.
// Not only is it giving Umbra stress in the RP, but it's stressing me in real life as well.
Okay, yes, this.
Magic is fine. It is a thing.
Magic that suddenly causes everything to go wrong immedietly and just as suddenly fix it all is not kosher.
It disrupts plans other people have, it causes chaos when people are trying to RP nicely, and it just causes unnessessary strife. I mean...
IF YOU were living on this planet and every two and three eighth minutes a threat 10x as powerful as the last appeared and disappeared, would you stick around? I wouldn't.

(05-23-2015, 11:37 PM)Marxon Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-23-2015, 11:34 PM)AustinLB90 Wrote: [ -> ]//except you are out numbered most of us want magic, not overpowered magic but magic, and so you probably should if you can't handle that.
//WHY DO YOU WANT MAGIC? WHAT CAN MAGIC DO THAT ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY CANNOT?

and I've blown a gasket...

"What can magic do that advanced technology cannot?"
I'm going to assume that was a rhetorical question but I'll answer it anyway: A whole lot.
Infinitely lot. Like, everything. That's the point of magic: it does things technology can't. The problem we have is that our "technology" is magic for all intents and purposes. It does things that real technology could never do. As such, what's the harm in magic? If our technology does the impossible, then for what logical reason can something else that does the impossible, which may itself be a science that isn't fully understood in this universe, not exist? The only issue here is that we don't have rules here; for tech or magic. As a result, many conflicting tech levels and magic systems exist together in some weird mishmash that means that some things are wildly overpowered and some are wildly underpowered.
*walks towards the common area*

Where.. the fuck.. am i?
//what the dong happened.
(05-23-2015, 11:47 PM)AustinLB90 Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-23-2015, 11:42 PM)Marxon Wrote: [ -> ]YEEEEEEEEESSSSSSS

// you know the final fantasy 4-after story explaination of magic that's his, except he can do more things, but not much more if he tried to do something insane like dimension crossing it would 1.partially work and no more 2. not work at all and be drained of energy 3. 1 + no energy after

(05-23-2015, 11:47 PM)AustinLB90 Wrote: [ -> ]// you know the final fantasy 4-after story explaination of magic that's his, except he can do more things, but not much more if he tried to do something insane like dimension crossing it would 1.partially work and no more 2. not work at all and be drained of energy 3. 1 + no energy after

//i can explain it better, most of the time he doesn't really lose a lot of energy and he can't get back this magical energy until he eats or sleeps

// this is not a good explanation. where does the magic come from? "energy" is a shitty and lose term when talking about this stuff, what is it? where does it come from? what can it be used for? this is like explaining thaumaturgy with "oh yeah, i con shoot balls of fire with my wands if i put things on the end of them, but they need to be charge in some way or something". all you said explained little to nothing. explaining things and making them not-OP, isn't the same thing.


// why does it feel like i'm talking to a wall?
(05-23-2015, 11:33 PM)JacobDaGun Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-23-2015, 11:19 PM)Joeythomas Wrote: [ -> ]*the stone glows and a blue circle Apears around you with all the zodiac symbols in gold, floating in infront of the circle*
It gets better

Does it do anything else besides zodiac sig-oh look, Pisces.

you can bind locations to symbols and go to said location any time
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