Avali Nexus - Avali Nexus Forum 1: A Cold Phoenix

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(05-25-2015, 04:51 PM)kawaiiChiimera Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think I can count on one hand how many people here have done the fats.

I think you could.

(05-25-2015, 04:51 PM)kawaiiChiimera Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think I can count on one hand how many people here have done the fats.

Guys, again, can we not.

(05-25-2015, 04:52 PM)Surge Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-25-2015, 04:51 PM)kawaiiChiimera Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think I can count on one hand how many people here have done the fats.
I think you could.

Nope, there's actually atleast 6 that have posted here.

(05-25-2015, 04:55 PM)Ehksidian Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-25-2015, 04:51 PM)kawaiiChiimera Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think I can count on one hand how many people here have done the fats.

Guys, again, can we not.

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(05-25-2015, 04:55 PM)kawaiiChiimera Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-25-2015, 04:52 PM)Surge Wrote: [ -> ]I think you could.
Nope, there's actually atleast 6 that have posted here.

I don't believe you.

if you're facing a mechanian you probably need something bigger than 25mm to put a decent dent on it.

(05-25-2015, 04:58 PM)SCN-3_NULL Wrote: [ -> ]

if you're facing a mechanian you probably need something bigger than 25mm to put a decent dent on it.

Do you understand how massive 25mm is for an automatic weapon?

(05-25-2015, 04:58 PM)SCN-3_NULL Wrote: [ -> ]

if you're facing a mechanian you probably need something bigger than 25mm to put a decent dent on it.

(05-25-2015, 04:58 PM)Surge Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-25-2015, 04:58 PM)SCN-3_NULL Wrote: [ -> ]

if you're facing a mechanian you probably need something bigger than 25mm to put a decent dent on it.
Do you understand how massive 25mm is for an automatic weapon?

I think he meant 25cal.

(05-25-2015, 05:00 PM)kawaiiChiimera Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-25-2015, 04:58 PM)SCN-3_NULL Wrote: [ -> ]

if you're facing a mechanian you probably need something bigger than 25mm to put a decent dent on it.

(05-25-2015, 04:58 PM)Surge Wrote: [ -> ]Do you understand how massive 25mm is for an automatic weapon?
I think he meant 25cal.

.25 is pretty small I'll give you that.

(05-25-2015, 04:58 PM)Surge Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-25-2015, 04:58 PM)SCN-3_NULL Wrote: [ -> ]

if you're facing a mechanian you probably need something bigger than 25mm to put a decent dent on it.
Do you understand how massive 25mm is for an automatic weapon?

eh, a mechanian commando's shoulder cannon/gunpod does go up to 50mm though 40mm are more common, but those cannon's barrel length are somewhat short

(05-25-2015, 05:05 PM)SCN-3_NULL Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-25-2015, 04:58 PM)Surge Wrote: [ -> ]Do you understand how massive 25mm is for an automatic weapon?
eh, a mechanian commando's shoulder cannon/gunpod does go up to 50mm though 40mm are more common, but those cannon's barrel length are somewhat short

You realize that a 37mm AP round is the size of your forearm right? Unless they're 10 foot tall superheavy infantry units like a Tecarian Vulcan there is no way they could casually operate something like that from their shoulder.

(05-25-2015, 05:07 PM)Surge Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-25-2015, 05:05 PM)SCN-3_NULL Wrote: [ -> ]eh, a mechanian commando's shoulder cannon/gunpod does go up to 50mm though 40mm are more common, but those cannon's barrel length are somewhat short
You realize that a 37mm AP round is the size of your forearm right? Unless they're 10 foot tall superheavy infantry units like a Tecarian Vulcan there is no way they could casually operate something like that from their shoulder.

Surge does have a point... Mechanians would likely need a ton of built-in supports to keep themselves upright when firing- otherwise, they would fall over from the recoil.

(05-25-2015, 05:09 PM)Umbra Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-25-2015, 05:07 PM)Surge Wrote: [ -> ]You realize that a 37mm AP round is the size of your forearm right? Unless they're 10 foot tall superheavy infantry units like a Tecarian Vulcan there is no way they could casually operate something like that from their shoulder.

Surge does have a point... Mechanians would likely need a ton of built-in supports to keep themselves upright when firing- otherwise, they would fall over from the recoil.

Even Vulcans use minimal recoil ion cannons with snub barrels in their shoulder pods for stability reasons.

(05-25-2015, 05:07 PM)Surge Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-25-2015, 05:05 PM)SCN-3_NULL Wrote: [ -> ]eh, a mechanian commando's shoulder cannon/gunpod does go up to 50mm though 40mm are more common, but those cannon's barrel length are somewhat short
You realize that a 37mm AP round is the size of your forearm right? Unless they're 10 foot tall superheavy infantry units like a Tecarian Vulcan there is no way they could casually operate something like that from their shoulder.

not all 37mm cartiges are the same, there's a pretty short japanese 37x111Rmm for the ho 203 cannon used on some versions of the Ki-45
[Image: ho203c.jpg]

(05-25-2015, 05:10 PM)Surge Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-25-2015, 05:09 PM)Umbra Wrote: [ -> ]Surge does have a point... Mechanians would likely need a ton of built-in supports to keep themselves upright when firing- otherwise, they would fall over from the recoil.
Even Vulcans use minimal recoil ion cannons with snub barrels in their shoulder pods for stability reasons.

Now I'm imagining a Mechanian firing a huge shoulder cannon and instantly falling backwards onto the ground, or just flying into a wall...
Someone help me, this mental image is making me laugh.

(05-25-2015, 05:09 PM)Umbra Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-25-2015, 05:07 PM)Surge Wrote: [ -> ]You realize that a 37mm AP round is the size of your forearm right? Unless they're 10 foot tall superheavy infantry units like a Tecarian Vulcan there is no way they could casually operate something like that from their shoulder.

Surge does have a point... Mechanians would likely need a ton of built-in supports to keep themselves upright when firing- otherwise, they would fall over from the recoil.

gonna need supports like one these guys
[Image: latest?cb=20131129012425&format=webp]

(05-25-2015, 05:14 PM)Gonzogonz Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-25-2015, 05:09 PM)Umbra Wrote: [ -> ]Surge does have a point... Mechanians would likely need a ton of built-in supports to keep themselves upright when firing- otherwise, they would fall over from the recoil.

gonna need supports like one these guys

Well, I meant super thick rods or support legs coming from the legs or back. Kind of like when a moving crane anchors itself down with those four legs on the sides.
Then again, you're obviously being sarcastic.

(05-25-2015, 05:12 PM)SCN-3_NULL Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-25-2015, 05:07 PM)Surge Wrote: [ -> ]You realize that a 37mm AP round is the size of your forearm right? Unless they're 10 foot tall superheavy infantry units like a Tecarian Vulcan there is no way they could casually operate something like that from their shoulder.
not all 37mm cartiges are the same, there's a pretty short japanese 37x111Rmm for the ho 203 cannon used on some versions of the Ki-45

Short or not the forearm comparison remains because the caliber hasn't changed.

(05-25-2015, 05:13 PM)Umbra Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-25-2015, 05:10 PM)Surge Wrote: [ -> ]Even Vulcans use minimal recoil ion cannons with snub barrels in their shoulder pods for stability reasons.

Now I'm imagining a Mechanian firing a huge shoulder cannon and instantly falling backwards onto the ground, or just flying into a wall...
Someone help me, this mental image is making me laugh.

"You want to go through THEIR wall not ours!"

(05-25-2015, 05:14 PM)Gonzogonz Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-25-2015, 05:09 PM)Umbra Wrote: [ -> ]Surge does have a point... Mechanians would likely need a ton of built-in supports to keep themselves upright when firing- otherwise, they would fall over from the recoil.

gonna need supports like one these guys

I doubt the juggers is a practical design example. It would be more dependent on god-tier recoil dampeners to not floor itself.

(05-25-2015, 05:13 PM)Umbra Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-25-2015, 05:10 PM)Surge Wrote: [ -> ]Even Vulcans use minimal recoil ion cannons with snub barrels in their shoulder pods for stability reasons.

Now I'm imagining a Mechanian firing a huge shoulder cannon and instantly falling backwards onto the ground, or just flying into a wall...
Someone help me, this mental image is making me laugh.

some of the older models have a revetively large foot base, and they're really heavy and should adsorb most of the recoil
(also mechanians cant swin because of their weight, they just sink to the bottom of the sea bed)

(05-25-2015, 05:16 PM)Umbra Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-25-2015, 05:14 PM)Gonzogonz Wrote: [ -> ]gonna need supports like one these guys

Well, I meant super thick rods or support legs coming from the legs or back. Kind of like when a moving crane anchors itself down with those four legs on the sides.
Then again, you're obviously being sarcastic.

no, that's what that thing has. if you look carefully, it does have two large plates running along the back of it's lags, it lowers these when it starts firing. i couldn't find a good youtube video to show this in detail.

(05-25-2015, 05:16 PM)Umbra Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-25-2015, 05:14 PM)Gonzogonz Wrote: [ -> ]gonna need supports like one these guys

Well, I meant super thick rods or support legs coming from the legs or back. Kind of like when a moving crane anchors itself down with those four legs on the sides.
Then again, you're obviously being sarcastic.

Actually the Tecarian Tarantula and Recluse walkers address the stability issue inherent in powerful support weapons by simply having a wide and low stance on a quadruped chassis.