(05-25-2015, 05:54 PM)Surge Wrote: [ -> ] (05-25-2015, 05:52 PM)Gonzogonz Wrote: [ -> ]i would also argue that the legs need more armor.
i dunno what you people are talking about in terms of the redundancy. while the two miniguns on the side could be removed for something else, what is redundant about it? too many legs? don't they provide stability? the scorpion tail minigun? that gun is way up in the air, it would be able to shoot at foes behind cover just because it's up higher, wouldn't it?
if anything, it could use more weapon diversity and armor.
now i'm no tactician, nor mech designer, but we see this mech in a dense urban environment, not exactly a place for a tank or heavy vehicle, you'd probably be fighting mostly infantry. it has the big laser/possibly railgun on the side for heavy infantry or the odd mechanized opponent.
now for the mech designers of the thread to tear my argument apart.
The front guns are too low to be practical, the tail is a good place for a gun if it weren't such a structural weakness, additionally the front guns lack the traverse range to be useful.
However the chassis itself seems sound from an armor perspective.
the front guns can bend up and down, it has small joints, while it probably couldn't aim far upwards, and if you stood below it it wouldn't be able to do much. that and as i mentioned, the legs could do with more armor, as well as the tail.
(05-25-2015, 05:56 PM)kawaiiChiimera Wrote: [ -> ] (05-25-2015, 05:52 PM)Umbra Wrote: [ -> ]It's okay, then. Mega Man will stop them!
And even then, I wouldn't mind living with little fluffballs.
...Unless they're hostile.
We're actually about as weapon tech savvy as they are, we're only behind by a couple dozen years.
Enough time to plan a counter attack against their tails if they were to attack. Plus, we have numbers, range, and the fact that we're on our own, relatively boiling hot soil.
So I'd say it'd end at a draw.
The real threat is their drones. Between meat and drones in a battle of attrition you always bet on the drones.
(05-25-2015, 05:59 PM)Surge Wrote: [ -> ] (05-25-2015, 05:56 PM)kawaiiChiimera Wrote: [ -> ]We're actually about as weapon tech savvy as they are, we're only behind by a couple dozen years.
Enough time to plan a counter attack against their tails if they were to attack. Plus, we have numbers, range, and the fact that we're on our own, relatively boiling hot soil.
So I'd say it'd end at a draw.
The real threat is their drones. Between meat and drones in a battle of attrition you always bet on the drones.
That is true, but we also have our own drones. Maybe not as many, but I don't think Avali have any real way to counter human made rocket powered smart missiles.
Of which we have LOTS.
(05-25-2015, 05:58 PM)Gonzogonz Wrote: [ -> ] (05-25-2015, 05:54 PM)Surge Wrote: [ -> ]The front guns are too low to be practical, the tail is a good place for a gun if it weren't such a structural weakness, additionally the front guns lack the traverse range to be useful.
However the chassis itself seems sound from an armor perspective.
the front guns can bend up and down, it has small joints, while it probably couldn't aim far upwards, and if you stood below it it wouldn't be able to do much. that and as i mentioned, the legs could do with more armor, as well as the tail.
Irrelevant, they are easily obstructed by the same obstacles you use a walker to defeat, you want them on the back in turrets with at least 180 degrees traverse, and the tail as a weakpoint is a structural issue not an armor one.
(05-25-2015, 06:01 PM)Surge Wrote: [ -> ] (05-25-2015, 05:58 PM)Gonzogonz Wrote: [ -> ]the front guns can bend up and down, it has small joints, while it probably couldn't aim far upwards, and if you stood below it it wouldn't be able to do much. that and as i mentioned, the legs could do with more armor, as well as the tail.
Irrelevant, they are easily obstructed by the same obstacles you use a walker to defeat, you want them on the back in turrets with at least 180 degrees traverse, and the tail as a weakpoint is a structural issue not an armor one.
could it be possible to bolster the tail's internal integrity in some way?
(05-25-2015, 06:04 PM)Gonzogonz Wrote: [ -> ] (05-25-2015, 06:01 PM)Surge Wrote: [ -> ]Irrelevant, they are easily obstructed by the same obstacles you use a walker to defeat, you want them on the back in turrets with at least 180 degrees traverse, and the tail as a weakpoint is a structural issue not an armor one.
could it be possible to bolster the tail's internal integrity in some way?
Shorter, much wider base, move the gun on top of it.
Someone should totally write an Avali vs Humans fanfic like Edge of Tomorrow. But with less time travel.
(05-25-2015, 06:05 PM)Surge Wrote: [ -> ] (05-25-2015, 06:04 PM)Gonzogonz Wrote: [ -> ]could it be possible to bolster the tail's internal integrity in some way?
Shorter, much wider base, move the gun on top of it.
you should learn to use a 3D modelling program. i bet you could make some really cool things with it.
that reminds me, i'll probably learn to use a 3D modelling program in the not too distant future, with some tips from you i might be able to 3D print some simple mech thingies!
You know even if they don't just sit in space and throw drones at us until we're all dead a handful of orbital railgun strikes could easily do extinction levels of damage.
(05-25-2015, 05:56 PM)kawaiiChiimera Wrote: [ -> ] (05-25-2015, 05:52 PM)Umbra Wrote: [ -> ]It's okay, then. Mega Man will stop them!
And even then, I wouldn't mind living with little fluffballs.
...Unless they're hostile.
We're actually about as weapon tech savvy as they are, we're only behind by a couple dozen years.
Enough time to plan a counter attack against their tails if they were to attack. Plus, we have numbers, range, and the fact that we're on our own, relatively boiling hot soil.
So I'd say it'd end at a draw.
Yeah, most likely. It's amazing how much home advantage can sway a fight.
(05-25-2015, 06:12 PM)Gonzogonz Wrote: [ -> ] (05-25-2015, 06:05 PM)Surge Wrote: [ -> ]Shorter, much wider base, move the gun on top of it.
you should learn to use a 3D modelling program. i bet you could make some really cool things with it.
that reminds me, i'll probably learn to use a 3D modelling program in the not too distant future, with some tips from you i might be able to 3D print some simple mech thingies!
Don't have the patience or self confidence for art.
(05-25-2015, 06:12 PM)Surge Wrote: [ -> ]You know even if they don't just sit in space and throw drones at us until we're all dead a handful of orbital railgun strikes could easily do extinction levels of damage.
Surge, stop scaring us, please.
(05-25-2015, 06:14 PM)Umbra Wrote: [ -> ] (05-25-2015, 06:12 PM)Surge Wrote: [ -> ]You know even if they don't just sit in space and throw drones at us until we're all dead a handful of orbital railgun strikes could easily do extinction levels of damage.
Surge, stop scaring us, please.
We could probably repurpose the world's ICBMs to nuke them out of the sky if they hung in near orbit, but even then radiation would probably cause mass extinction.
(05-25-2015, 06:16 PM)Surge Wrote: [ -> ] (05-25-2015, 06:14 PM)Umbra Wrote: [ -> ]Surge, stop scaring us, please.
We could probably repurpose the world's ICBMs to nuke them out of the sky if they hung in near orbit, but even then radiation would probably cause mass extinction.
*ineffective slap*
I SAID STOP SCARING US ; A;
(05-25-2015, 06:16 PM)Surge Wrote: [ -> ] (05-25-2015, 06:14 PM)Umbra Wrote: [ -> ]Surge, stop scaring us, please.
We could probably repurpose the world's ICBMs to nuke them out of the sky if they hung in near orbit, but even then radiation would probably cause mass extinction.
or... you know... we could just throw surgeart at them until they go away.
(05-25-2015, 06:16 PM)Umbra Wrote: [ -> ] (05-25-2015, 06:16 PM)Surge Wrote: [ -> ]We could probably repurpose the world's ICBMs to nuke them out of the sky if they hung in near orbit, but even then radiation would probably cause mass extinction.
*ineffective slap*
I SAID STOP SCARING US ; A;
Well I'm no physicist it's possible that the radiation wouldn't fall back to earth thanks to the earth's magnetic field which, iirc already protects us from devastating amounts of cosmic radiation.
(05-25-2015, 06:17 PM)Gonzogonz Wrote: [ -> ] (05-25-2015, 06:16 PM)Surge Wrote: [ -> ]We could probably repurpose the world's ICBMs to nuke them out of the sky if they hung in near orbit, but even then radiation would probably cause mass extinction.
or... you know... we could just throw surgeart at them until they go away.
Yeah my art is pretty bad.
(05-25-2015, 06:16 PM)Surge Wrote: [ -> ] (05-25-2015, 06:14 PM)Umbra Wrote: [ -> ]Surge, stop scaring us, please.
We could probably repurpose the world's ICBMs to nuke them out of the sky if they hung in near orbit, but even then radiation would probably cause mass extinction.
If they're outside our atmosphere then there won't be much collateral damage due to radiation. The only real problem would be the EM field disabling electronics. But that goes both ways.
Today's nukes are much more effective and efficient anyways, producing less radiation per megaton.
(05-25-2015, 06:19 PM)kawaiiChiimera Wrote: [ -> ] (05-25-2015, 06:16 PM)Surge Wrote: [ -> ]We could probably repurpose the world's ICBMs to nuke them out of the sky if they hung in near orbit, but even then radiation would probably cause mass extinction.
If they're outside our atmosphere then there won't be much collateral damage due to radiation. The only real problem would be the EM field disabling electronics. But that goes both ways.
Today's nukes are much more effective anyways, producing less radiation per megaton.
EM hardened electronics are a thing.
(05-25-2015, 06:16 PM)Surge Wrote: [ -> ] (05-25-2015, 06:14 PM)Umbra Wrote: [ -> ]Surge, stop scaring us, please.
We could probably repurpose the world's ICBMs to nuke them out of the sky if they hung in near orbit, but even then radiation would probably cause mass extinction.
Or one of this
![[Image: ?cmd=ref&page=04%20Stonehenge&src=campai...in04_1.jpg]](http://gwiki.orz.hm/acinf/?cmd=ref&page=04%20Stonehenge&src=campain04_1.jpg)
It's effective in the ace combat unierverse against asteroids just have to repurpose the thermobaric shells with a penetrative one.