(08-15-2015, 04:34 PM)Gonzogonz Wrote: [ -> ] (08-15-2015, 03:22 PM)Surge Wrote: [ -> ]Well let's look at the source material.
Microwave laser: stupidly powerful but massive power draw and short range
Drones: the cybran nation uses nanolathe drones but otherwise only fields full size units
Geometry: Cybran units are very aggressive and geometric, triangles and trapezoids are common, in warships especially more complex shapes and structures are commonly repeated across several hulls.
Shields: best in the game bar none, they start as the worst but can be progressively upgraded much longer than others.
while i agree that marx should take his inspiration and such from the game and how it works, i don't thing that's a justifyable reason to have it be unbalanced. unbalance like like this isn't a big problem, it's just fiddling with numbers intil it evens out and feels good. right now it feels pretty awesome to use the gauss beam, only it can kill a ship of medium size just by swinging the beam past it. sure the microwave laser might be powerful in SupCom, but it couldn't one-shot all t1-2 and some t3 units could it?
the drones is sore of soemthing i enjoy, i really like the way drones work in Reassembly, but they are often quite pricey to use, so a cheaper and weaker thing could be cool. (besides, aren't the cybrans often quite swarm-based with lots of assult bots and such?)
as for geometry it seems to just be some odd angles a few of them have. pieces that seem as if they should fit together don't and such. might just be me that didn't quite see how they should fit though, but i found the selection of hull bits that fit nicely together a bit lacking.
and again, while they might have had the best sheilds, it's better to have balanced good sheilds that over powered accurate sheilds.
I'm not saying it has to unbalanced, I'm just saying he should probably work within the constraints of what he has instead of adding onto it, I'm reasonably confident it can all be balanced without diverging too far from the source.
(08-15-2015, 04:37 PM)Surge Wrote: [ -> ] (08-15-2015, 04:34 PM)Gonzogonz Wrote: [ -> ]while i agree that marx should take his inspiration and such from the game and how it works, i don't thing that's a justifyable reason to have it be unbalanced. unbalance like like this isn't a big problem, it's just fiddling with numbers intil it evens out and feels good. right now it feels pretty awesome to use the gauss beam, only it can kill a ship of medium size just by swinging the beam past it. sure the microwave laser might be powerful in SupCom, but it couldn't one-shot all t1-2 and some t3 units could it?
the drones is sore of soemthing i enjoy, i really like the way drones work in Reassembly, but they are often quite pricey to use, so a cheaper and weaker thing could be cool. (besides, aren't the cybrans often quite swarm-based with lots of assult bots and such?)
as for geometry it seems to just be some odd angles a few of them have. pieces that seem as if they should fit together don't and such. might just be me that didn't quite see how they should fit though, but i found the selection of hull bits that fit nicely together a bit lacking.
and again, while they might have had the best sheilds, it's better to have balanced good sheilds that over powered accurate sheilds.
I'm not saying it has to unbalanced, I'm just saying he should probably work within the constraints of what he has instead of adding onto it, I'm reasonably confident it can all be balanced without diverging too far from the source.
indeed, mostly just giving feedback as i found the faction to generally have quite powerful weapons.
(08-15-2015, 04:34 PM)Gonzogonz Wrote: [ -> ] (08-15-2015, 03:22 PM)Surge Wrote: [ -> ]Well let's look at the source material.
Microwave laser: stupidly powerful but massive power draw and short range
Drones: the cybran nation uses nanolathe drones but otherwise only fields full size units
Geometry: Cybran units are very aggressive and geometric, triangles and trapezoids are common, in warships especially more complex shapes and structures are commonly repeated across several hulls.
Shields: best in the game bar none, they start as the worst but can be progressively upgraded much longer than others.
while i agree that marx should take his inspiration and such from the game and how it works, i don't thing that's a justifyable reason to have it be unbalanced. unbalance like like this isn't a big problem, it's just fiddling with numbers intil it evens out and feels good. right now it feels pretty awesome to use the gauss beam, only it can kill a ship of medium size just by swinging the beam past it. sure the microwave laser might be powerful in SupCom, but it couldn't one-shot all t1-2 and some t3 units could it?
the drones is sore of soemthing i enjoy, i really like the way drones work in Reassembly, but they are often quite pricey to use, so a cheaper and weaker thing could be cool. (besides, aren't the cybrans often quite swarm-based with lots of assult bots and such?)
as for geometry it seems to just be some odd angles a few of them have. pieces that seem as if they should fit together don't and such. might just be me that didn't quite see how they should fit though, but i found the selection of hull bits that fit nicely together a bit lacking.
and again, while they might have had the best sheilds, it's better to have balanced good sheilds that over powered accurate sheilds.
USE THE DRONES I ALREADY PUT IN!
They last twice as long as normal so you can have twice as many.
And the shields balance out having the shittiest armor and lots of explosive generators on the ship.
And the ship parts DO fit together, you just have to be creative, I only have a limited set of hard coded polygons to work with.
So my SO and I are playing warthunder together to kill time, it's pretty great, had one match earlier where we managed to bait and switch a seafire, she baited him into a joust while I did a reverse immelman above him to slot in on his six, so when he rolled out of the way of her bullets he came right into my sights.
(08-15-2015, 05:14 PM)Surge Wrote: [ -> ]So my SO and I are playing warthunder together to kill time, it's pretty great, had one match earlier where we managed to bait and switch a seafire, she baited him into a joust while I did a reverse immelman above him to slot in on his six, so when he rolled out of the way of her bullets he came right into my sights.
Niiiiice.
Now, of only I could pull shit like that in multiplayer games... All I can usually do is run in and beat whatever it is up while everyone else does a thing.
(08-15-2015, 05:15 PM)Umbra Wrote: [ -> ] (08-15-2015, 05:14 PM)Surge Wrote: [ -> ]So my SO and I are playing warthunder together to kill time, it's pretty great, had one match earlier where we managed to bait and switch a seafire, she baited him into a joust while I did a reverse immelman above him to slot in on his six, so when he rolled out of the way of her bullets he came right into my sights.
Niiiiice.
Now, of only I could pull shit like that in multiplayer games... All I can usually do is run in and beat whatever it is up while everyone else does a thing.
Well mostly it's me following her around and being an opportunist, she's competitively ranked.
(08-15-2015, 05:17 PM)Surge Wrote: [ -> ] (08-15-2015, 05:15 PM)Umbra Wrote: [ -> ]Niiiiice.
Now, of only I could pull shit like that in multiplayer games... All I can usually do is run in and beat whatever it is up while everyone else does a thing.
Well mostly it's me following her around and being an opportunist, she's competitively ranked.
So you're saying you're not actually a strategist?
And the point still stands. I suck at teamwork plan stuff.
(08-15-2015, 05:20 PM)Umbra Wrote: [ -> ] (08-15-2015, 05:17 PM)Surge Wrote: [ -> ]Well mostly it's me following her around and being an opportunist, she's competitively ranked.
So you're saying you're not actually a strategist?
And the point still stands. I suck at teamwork plan stuff.
Not at all, I do know a golden opportunity when I see one though.
(08-15-2015, 05:22 PM)Surge Wrote: [ -> ] (08-15-2015, 05:20 PM)Umbra Wrote: [ -> ]So you're saying you're not actually a strategist?
And the point still stands. I suck at teamwork plan stuff.
Not at all, I do know a golden opportunity when I see one though.
Meanwhile, I rarely do. For example, back when I was playing Phantom Hourglass...
"Okay, I'm gonna wait for this phantom to pass and I'll go on ahead."
*Phantom passes*
"...You know, maybe I'll wait for a better chance."
*several minutes of waiting later*
"...I'm never going to be able to do this."
(08-15-2015, 05:14 PM)Surge Wrote: [ -> ]So my SO and I are playing warthunder together to kill time, it's pretty great, had one match earlier where we managed to bait and switch a seafire, she baited him into a joust while I did a reverse immelman above him to slot in on his six, so when he rolled out of the way of her bullets he came right into my sights.
meanwhile I got gangbanged and outperformed by everyplane of the same tier while sometimes higher appear. (I think) the cold steel update just makes japanese planes even weaker like it can be one shotted and fire just makes all of them farted, even those that have a chance of surviving one(J2M is not included jeese, they simply exploded no matter what)
(08-15-2015, 05:27 PM)SCN-3_NULL Wrote: [ -> ] (08-15-2015, 05:14 PM)Surge Wrote: [ -> ]So my SO and I are playing warthunder together to kill time, it's pretty great, had one match earlier where we managed to bait and switch a seafire, she baited him into a joust while I did a reverse immelman above him to slot in on his six, so when he rolled out of the way of her bullets he came right into my sights.
meanwhile I got gangbanged and outperformed by everyplane of the same tier while sometimes higher appear. (I think) the cold steel update just makes japanese planes even weaker like it can be one shotted and fire just makes all of them farted, even those that have a chance of surviving one(J2M is not included jeese, they simply exploded no matter what)
Meanwhile I'm over here shitting fury out of my zero and laughing at all the kills.
(08-15-2015, 05:29 PM)Surge Wrote: [ -> ] (08-15-2015, 05:27 PM)SCN-3_NULL Wrote: [ -> ]meanwhile I got gangbanged and outperformed by everyplane of the same tier while sometimes higher appear. (I think) the cold steel update just makes japanese planes even weaker like it can be one shotted and fire just makes all of them farted, even those that have a chance of surviving one(J2M is not included jeese, they simply exploded no matter what)
Meanwhile I'm over here shutting fury out of my zero and laughing at all the kills.
Zeroes are pretty beast though did not catch up the caliber by tier 4 heck while everyfaction got something larger or equal to 30mm japanese planes finally have 4 20mms that everyfaction has by tier 3 and I think lower, still you'll be glad some spitfire(or everyother plane) didnt decide to run away from you while you're sreaming "come back here you little shits" behind(dont give chase, it never works)
(08-15-2015, 05:38 PM)SCN-3_NULL Wrote: [ -> ] (08-15-2015, 05:29 PM)Surge Wrote: [ -> ]Meanwhile I'm over here shutting fury out of my zero and laughing at all the kills.
Zeroes are pretty beast though did not catch up the caliber by tier 4 heck while everyfaction got something larger or equal to 30mm japanese planes finally have 4 20mms that everyfaction has by tier 3 and I think lower, still you'll be glad some spitfire(or everyother plane) didnt decide to run away from you while you're sreaming "come back here you little shits" behind(dont give chase, it never works)
except whenever a tree has a plane with quad 20s it's BR nearly doubles over the previous plane.
(08-15-2015, 05:51 PM)Surge Wrote: [ -> ] (08-15-2015, 05:38 PM)SCN-3_NULL Wrote: [ -> ]Zeroes are pretty beast though did not catch up the caliber by tier 4 heck while everyfaction got something larger or equal to 30mm japanese planes finally have 4 20mms that everyfaction has by tier 3 and I think lower, still you'll be glad some spitfire(or everyother plane) didnt decide to run away from you while you're sreaming "come back here you little shits" behind(dont give chase, it never works)
except whenever a tree has a plane with quad 20s it's BR nearly doubles over the previous plane.
now that does explain why jets are appering when I have/use(in RB) N1K and J2M3
(08-15-2015, 06:00 PM)SCN-3_NULL Wrote: [ -> ] (08-15-2015, 05:51 PM)Surge Wrote: [ -> ]except whenever a tree has a plane with quad 20s it's BR nearly doubles over the previous plane.
now that does explain why jets are appering when I have/use(in RB) N1K and J2M3
just look at the spits, MkVb/trop, 4.0, MkVc, 5.7, MkIX, 4.3, guess which one has quad hispanos?
(08-15-2015, 06:11 PM)Surge Wrote: [ -> ] (08-15-2015, 06:00 PM)SCN-3_NULL Wrote: [ -> ]now that does explain why jets are appering when I have/use(in RB) N1K and J2M3
just look at the spits, MkVb/trop, 4.0, MkVc, 5.7, MkIX, 4.3, guess which one has quad hispanos?
The Vc alright still some have more guns and spits more/heavier lead than just just 2x20mm+2x7.62mm(or 1x7.62mm+1x12.7mm on the Ko/Otsu)
(08-15-2015, 06:17 PM)SCN-3_NULL Wrote: [ -> ]
I can't believe that was actually a game.
Surge.
I want you to do me a favor and post some screenshots the next time you play C&C 3 so I can pretend I'm the one playing.
(08-15-2015, 06:36 PM)Battle Bee Wrote: [ -> ]Surge.
I want you to do me a favor and post some screenshots the next time you play C&C 3 so I can pretend I'm the one playing.
I could stream me turtling hard.
(08-15-2015, 07:08 PM)Surge Wrote: [ -> ] (08-15-2015, 06:36 PM)Battle Bee Wrote: [ -> ]Surge.
I want you to do me a favor and post some screenshots the next time you play C&C 3 so I can pretend I'm the one playing.
I could stream me turtling hard.
Yes, you should do that. o wo
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