(08-10-2015, 09:50 PM)Ehksidian Wrote: [ -> ]Woo!
One college I applied to accepted my application! Just gotta wait to see if the other accepts/rejects me now so I can decide where I want to go!
We shall celebrate with booze!
...Ooor not, I don't think the collage would be happy with seeing you drunk.
You know I don't like the idea that there are things too terrible or serious to make jokes about, like suicide, or 9/11. The entire purpose of a joke is to make you laugh, to give you a moment's release from a harsh reality with something stupid or silly, and if you won't let yourself laugh at jokes about a certain subject it's not because the jokes are bad, though they may very well be awful, it's because you're too attached to those various negative emotions associated with the subject to enjoy anything involving it. What kind of a world are we trying to build when we tell other people that they also need to latch onto those negatives and not appreciate somebody adding light to a very dark part of our world?
(08-10-2015, 11:14 PM)Surge Wrote: [ -> ]You know I don't like the idea that there are things too terrible or serious to make jokes about, like suicide, or 9/11. The entire purpose of a joke is to make you laugh, to give you a moment's release from a harsh reality with something stupid or silly, and if you won't let yourself laugh at jokes about a certain subject it's not because the jokes are bad, though they may very well be awful, it's because you're too attached to those various negative emotions associated with the subject to enjoy anything involving it. What kind of a world are we trying to build when we tell other people that they also need to latch onto those negatives and not appreciate somebody adding light to a very dark part of our world?
Lemme guess, you had an encounter with a white knight.
(08-10-2015, 11:15 PM)Battle Bee Wrote: [ -> ] (08-10-2015, 11:14 PM)Surge Wrote: [ -> ]You know I don't like the idea that there are things too terrible or serious to make jokes about, like suicide, or 9/11. The entire purpose of a joke is to make you laugh, to give you a moment's release from a harsh reality with something stupid or silly, and if you won't let yourself laugh at jokes about a certain subject it's not because the jokes are bad, though they may very well be awful, it's because you're too attached to those various negative emotions associated with the subject to enjoy anything involving it. What kind of a world are we trying to build when we tell other people that they also need to latch onto those negatives and not appreciate somebody adding light to a very dark part of our world?
Lemme guess, you had an encounter with a white knight.
No just thinking back to one of the CF mods lecturing us on how suicide is SUPER DUPER CEREAL.
I mean it's certainly a bad thing and I agree people need to not just ignore it but "don't joke about something like that" is at best a poor choice of words.
(08-10-2015, 11:14 PM)Surge Wrote: [ -> ]You know I don't like the idea that there are things too terrible or serious to make jokes about, like suicide, or 9/11. The entire purpose of a joke is to make you laugh, to give you a moment's release from a harsh reality with something stupid or silly, and if you won't let yourself laugh at jokes about a certain subject it's not because the jokes are bad, though they may very well be awful, it's because you're too attached to those various negative emotions associated with the subject to enjoy anything involving it. What kind of a world are we trying to build when we tell other people that they also need to latch onto those negatives and not appreciate somebody adding light to a very dark part of our world?
I guess some people don't really get what a joke is supposed to be.
(08-10-2015, 11:14 PM)Surge Wrote: [ -> ]You know I don't like the idea that there are things too terrible or serious to make jokes about, like suicide, or 9/11. The entire purpose of a joke is to make you laugh, to give you a moment's release from a harsh reality with something stupid or silly, and if you won't let yourself laugh at jokes about a certain subject it's not because the jokes are bad, though they may very well be awful, it's because you're too attached to those various negative emotions associated with the subject to enjoy anything involving it. What kind of a world are we trying to build when we tell other people that they also need to latch onto those negatives and not appreciate somebody adding light to a very dark part of our world?
sometimes it can't be seen as a joke, and sometimes it's just not good to do
i wouldn't make a 9/11 joke around someone who lost family due to the attack, just like how i wouldn't make suicide jokes around someone who is suicidal. if it was just "no don't do that" and it was obviously a joke, and not directed at someone who has a history of suicidal tendencies...that's silly. but if it could actually be seen as serious, or done to someone who had said tendencies? yeah saying stop makes sense.
(08-10-2015, 11:14 PM)Surge Wrote: [ -> ]You know I don't like the idea that there are things too terrible or serious to make jokes about, like suicide, or 9/11. The entire purpose of a joke is to make you laugh, to give you a moment's release from a harsh reality with something stupid or silly, and if you won't let yourself laugh at jokes about a certain subject it's not because the jokes are bad, though they may very well be awful, it's because you're too attached to those various negative emotions associated with the subject to enjoy anything involving it. What kind of a world are we trying to build when we tell other people that they also need to latch onto those negatives and not appreciate somebody adding light to a very dark part of our world?
(08-10-2015, 11:16 PM)Surge Wrote: [ -> ] (08-10-2015, 11:15 PM)Battle Bee Wrote: [ -> ]Lemme guess, you had an encounter with a white knight.
No just thinking back to one of the CF mods lecturing us on how suicide is SUPER DUPER CEREAL.
I mean it's certainly a bad thing and I agree people need to not just ignore it but "don't joke about something like that" is at best a poor choice of words.
(08-10-2015, 11:33 PM)Jim_Clonk Wrote: [ -> ] (08-10-2015, 11:14 PM)Surge Wrote: [ -> ]You know I don't like the idea that there are things too terrible or serious to make jokes about, like suicide, or 9/11. The entire purpose of a joke is to make you laugh, to give you a moment's release from a harsh reality with something stupid or silly, and if you won't let yourself laugh at jokes about a certain subject it's not because the jokes are bad, though they may very well be awful, it's because you're too attached to those various negative emotions associated with the subject to enjoy anything involving it. What kind of a world are we trying to build when we tell other people that they also need to latch onto those negatives and not appreciate somebody adding light to a very dark part of our world?
I guess some people don't really get what a joke is supposed to be.
Because you see it as funny, but not everyone is going to.
For the same reasons that Ehks stated.
(08-10-2015, 11:50 PM)Reks Wrote: [ -> ] (08-10-2015, 11:14 PM)Surge Wrote: [ -> ]You know I don't like the idea that there are things too terrible or serious to make jokes about, like suicide, or 9/11. The entire purpose of a joke is to make you laugh, to give you a moment's release from a harsh reality with something stupid or silly, and if you won't let yourself laugh at jokes about a certain subject it's not because the jokes are bad, though they may very well be awful, it's because you're too attached to those various negative emotions associated with the subject to enjoy anything involving it. What kind of a world are we trying to build when we tell other people that they also need to latch onto those negatives and not appreciate somebody adding light to a very dark part of our world?
(08-10-2015, 11:16 PM)Surge Wrote: [ -> ]No just thinking back to one of the CF mods lecturing us on how suicide is SUPER DUPER CEREAL.
I mean it's certainly a bad thing and I agree people need to not just ignore it but "don't joke about something like that" is at best a poor choice of words.
(08-10-2015, 11:33 PM)Jim_Clonk Wrote: [ -> ]I guess some people don't really get what a joke is supposed to be.
Because you see it as funny, but not everyone is going to.
For the same reasons that Ehks stated.
What Ehks said is probably the only legitimate reason not to make a particular joke. If you know about it though, you wouldn't make the joke anyway.
(08-10-2015, 11:57 PM)Jim_Clonk Wrote: [ -> ] (08-10-2015, 11:50 PM)Reks Wrote: [ -> ]Because you see it as funny, but not everyone is going to.
For the same reasons that Ehks stated.
What Ehks said is probably the only legitimate reason not to make a particular joke. If you know about it though, you wouldn't make the joke anyway.
Exactly, and you can't always know.
Thus why it's best to not joke about sensitive things like that.
Completely missed the point, all of you.
(08-11-2015, 12:03 AM)Surge Wrote: [ -> ]Completely missed the point, all of you.
Then let me look back at your post to see what your point was.
(08-10-2015, 11:14 PM)Surge Wrote: [ -> ]You know I don't like the idea that there are things too terrible or serious to make jokes about, like suicide, or 9/11. The entire purpose of a joke is to make you laugh, to give you a moment's release from a harsh reality with something stupid or silly, and if you won't let yourself laugh at jokes about a certain subject it's not because the jokes are bad, though they may very well be awful, it's because you're too attached to those various negative emotions associated with the subject to enjoy anything involving it. What kind of a world are we trying to build when we tell other people that they also need to latch onto those negatives and not appreciate somebody adding light to a very dark part of our world?
While you have a point about focusing on negativity
You can't ignore it, either.
You can't forget it exists.
And if you think about it?
Joking about negativity brings light... Right on the negative thing.
To some, you're just reminding them how bad things are, and
It's possible that it'd be seen as
mocking what happened.
I certainly do, for things like suicide. I came very close to it.
Very.
I don't think it's funny. I don't like being reminded how shitty things got for me. I know what almost happened.
So while you might have good intentions with joking
Doing so can be more harmful than you'd ever think.
I'm going to stop talking about this then.
(08-11-2015, 12:12 AM)Reks Wrote: [ -> ] (08-11-2015, 12:03 AM)Surge Wrote: [ -> ]Completely missed the point, all of you.
Then let me look back at your post to see what your point was.
(08-10-2015, 11:14 PM)Surge Wrote: [ -> ]You know I don't like the idea that there are things too terrible or serious to make jokes about, like suicide, or 9/11. The entire purpose of a joke is to make you laugh, to give you a moment's release from a harsh reality with something stupid or silly, and if you won't let yourself laugh at jokes about a certain subject it's not because the jokes are bad, though they may very well be awful, it's because you're too attached to those various negative emotions associated with the subject to enjoy anything involving it. What kind of a world are we trying to build when we tell other people that they also need to latch onto those negatives and not appreciate somebody adding light to a very dark part of our world?
While you have a point about focusing on negativity
You can't ignore it, either.
You can't forget it exists.
And if you think about it?
Joking about negativity brings light... Right on the negative thing.
To some, you're just reminding them how bad things are, and
It's possible that it'd be seen as mocking what happened.
I certainly do, for things like suicide. I came very close to it. Very.
I don't think it's funny. I don't like being reminded how shitty things got for me. I know what almost happened.
So while you might have good intentions with joking
Doing so can be more harmful than you'd ever think.
(08-11-2015, 12:03 AM)Surge Wrote: [ -> ]Completely missed the point, all of you.
Then let me look back at your post to see what your point was.
(08-10-2015, 11:14 PM)Surge Wrote: [ -> ]You know I don't like the idea that there are things too terrible or serious to make jokes about, like suicide, or 9/11. The entire purpose of a joke is to make you laugh, to give you a moment's release from a harsh reality with something stupid or silly, and if you won't let yourself laugh at jokes about a certain subject it's not because the jokes are bad, though they may very well be awful, it's because you're too attached to those various negative emotions associated with the subject to enjoy anything involving it. What kind of a world are we trying to build when we tell other people that they also need to latch onto those negatives and not appreciate somebody adding light to a very dark part of our world?
While you have a point about focusing on negativity
You can't ignore it, either.
You can't forget it exists.
And if you think about it?
Joking about negativity brings light... Right on the negative thing.
To some, you're just reminding them how bad things are, and
It's possible that it'd be seen as mocking what happened.
I certainly do, for things like suicide. I came very close to it. Very.
I don't think it's funny. I don't like being reminded how shitty things got for me. I know what almost happened.
So while you might have good intentions with joking
Doing so can be more harmful than you'd ever think.
Still missing the point, proving it in fact.
When something intensely negative comes to light you're saying that nobody is allowed to feel anything but negative emotions about this topic, no matter where it goes, not only that you're saying such feelings aren't possible, which is what I disagree with. If I make a joke about a shitty topic and you're more concerned about the subject matter than the quality of the joke then you are allowing tragedy to rule your emotions, and trying to make it rule the emotions of those around you too.
(08-11-2015, 12:34 AM)Battle Bee Wrote: [ -> ]![[Image: 00001263.jpg]](http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/comics/00001263.jpg)
Favourite page so far.
Reminds me of Leo
"How much of that is your blood?"
"Not much"
"Good enough"
(08-11-2015, 12:34 AM)Battle Bee Wrote: [ -> ]
Favourite page so far.
i need to go back through the comic later and just make reaction images out of it
"not my blood" is 100% going to be one because it's fucking amazing.
(08-11-2015, 12:16 AM)Surge Wrote: [ -> ]Still missing the point, proving it in fact.
When something intensely negative comes to light you're saying that nobody is allowed to feel anything but negative emotions about this topic, no matter where it goes, not only that you're saying such feelings aren't possible, which is what I disagree with. If I make a joke about a shitty topic and you're more concerned about the subject matter than the quality of the joke then you are allowing tragedy to rule your emotions, and trying to make it rule the emotions of those around you too.
Because people are totally in control of their emotions at all times, especially in the face of such breaking events
It's remarkably naive to think you can joke and everyone will like it.
The subject matter of a joke is still the most important part of it, no matter of it's quality.
And it sounds like you're blaming the victims of negativity that you can't joke about things like that. Even if you weren't, it's still selfish to whine about why you can't than just trying to keep things considerate for everyone.
You can't always know, of course. But it's pretty safe to say that the touchier topics, like suicide, 9/11, ect
Are generally off limits for jokes.
If you absolutely want to bring light to people's days, be considerate and don't poison your good intentions with a bad topic.
(08-11-2015, 12:41 AM)Reks Wrote: [ -> ] (08-11-2015, 12:16 AM)Surge Wrote: [ -> ]Still missing the point, proving it in fact.
When something intensely negative comes to light you're saying that nobody is allowed to feel anything but negative emotions about this topic, no matter where it goes, not only that you're saying such feelings aren't possible, which is what I disagree with. If I make a joke about a shitty topic and you're more concerned about the subject matter than the quality of the joke then you are allowing tragedy to rule your emotions, and trying to make it rule the emotions of those around you too.
Because people are totally in control of their emotions at all times, especially in the face of such breaking events
It's remarkably naive to think you can joke and everyone will like it.
The subject matter of a joke is still the most important part of it, no matter of it's quality.
And it sounds like you're blaming the victims of negativity that you can't joke about things like that. Even if you weren't, it's still selfish to whine about why you can't than just trying to keep things considerate for everyone.
You can't always know, of course. But it's pretty safe to say that the touchier topics, like suicide, 9/11, ect
Are generally off limits for jokes.
If you absolutely want to bring light to people's days, be considerate and don't poison your good intentions with a bad topic.
Because emotions are a totally run away train that you CAN'T control or even influence, and "I'M UPSET" is an absolutely valid reason why nobody should try and cheer up you or anyone else going through the same thing.
Then we have an insult, "you're victim blaming" and "your point is selfish" appeals to emotion and need for popularity to make me feel guilty for having an opinion and make me look like a jackass.
Again, you shouldn't be so attached to the idea of "this makes me sad" that nobody can come in and make you laugh, there is no reason to latch onto anything negative like that.